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Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« on: Wednesday 12 June 19 02:26 BST (UK) »
I have spent many years tracking down an elusive great aunt, who may actually be my g/grandmother. Finally found her buried at Waterfall Sanatorium Cemetery (for TB). She was born Margaret Elizabeth MATTHEWS in Sofala, 1884 to Henry and Annie. I've just received her death certificate which lists her as Elizabeth Margaret MATTHEWS died age 64 in 1949 at Sanatorium & is buried there. (nb there's no public access to this disused site.) It states she was married to William MORRIS at the age of 19 in Balmain, NSW (so about 1903). Cemetery records say she was also known as MAY MORRIS. It lists her address as 21 Shellcore Rd Chullora NSW but it doesn't seem to exist & think it may be Shellcote Rd Chullora? I can find a William Morris living at no 10 with a Lillian May Morris, but Lillian is still listed on electoral roll at that address in 1963 so that can't be her. I can't find any marriage record on NSW BDM nor anything on ancestry. Can anyone give me an idea where else I can locate info on her marriage to William Morris etc. (forgive long post - family rumour is that she was ostracised for illegitimate child, which may actually be my grandfather, Walter. He's listed as child of Henry & Annie too, ie her youngest brother (born 1907) but it was common back then to “pretend” you are the parent when in fact you are the grandparent if your daughter had child out of wedlock).
Craig - Glasgow and Perthshire Scotland; Matthews -Lithgow,Wattle Flat NSW, Co Louth Ireland; Marshall - Broxburn, Scotland and Antrim Ireland; McVicars - Antrim Ireland; McPeake, McAtamney-Co Derry, Ireland, Wattle Flat NSW;  Evans, Richards- Cornwall, Wallsend/Newcastle.

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 04:34 BST (UK) »

Can you please list all the information on the death certificate, 1949.

".. Cemetery records say she was also known as MAY MORRIS.?"

What cemetery is this. Can you list all details on the cemetery record that you have seen.


"It lists her address as 21 Shellcore Rd Chullora NSW?..."

Where do you see this address.......death certificate....cemetery record....where?

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 04:56 BST (UK) »
She was born Margaret Elizabeth MATTHEWS in Sofala, 1884 to Henry and Annie.

Her birth record does not state mother as Annie  ???

MATTHEWS  MARGARET E
14262/1884
HENRY
ROSANAH
SOFALA

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 05:15 BST (UK) »

NSW BDM birth
14262/1884  MATTHEWS  Margaret E  parents Henry / Rosanah   @ Sofala
16215 / 1888  MATTHEWS  Amy         parents Henry / Rosannah   @ Sofala

NSW BDM death
6231/1957 MATTHEWS  Walter Newnes parents Henry / Roseanne   @  Lithgow

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 05:16 BST (UK) »
MATTHEWS  WALTER N
41164/1907
HENRY
ROSANNAH
WALLERAWANG

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 05:18 BST (UK) »
What is the name of the informant on the death certificate.. if it is not a close relative that information ( ie when she was married) could be incorrect.
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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 05:26 BST (UK) »
There is lots of information regarding the Cemetery , Waterfall also known as Garrawarra on the
 Australian Cemeteries Index  Site

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 06:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks for responses. Rosannah was called Annie in many records. Yes I have all of Walter Newnes Matthews records so no need to post on him - all records have Henry & Rosannah (Annie) as his parents. I’m after marriage info on Margaret Elizabeth. On her fathers death certificate she went by the name Elizabeth, (hence confusing searchers!) The information on her death certificate was provided by the staff at Waterfall Sanitorium. She was named as Elizabeth Margaret Matthews, aged 64. Married at 19 in Balmain to William Morris. Her normal address was given as 21 Shellcote Rd Chullora.I have since found electoral records that have her as Elizabeth Margaret Morris at Shellcote Rd in 1930, 32, 33, 34. Sadly in 1937 she’s listed as Margaret Morris at Waterfall Sanitorium, then 1943 she appears at Newington State Hospital & home for aged & infirmed women, then she was obviously sent back to Waterfall where she died and is buried in 1949. Historically many were sent here against their will, and many died of tuberculosis & were buried at site ( around 2000 graves). On the Australian Cemeteries Index of Waterfall Cemetery (also known as Garrawarra) she is buried in RC section, row V, plot 3. The transcriber for the site (Peter Olsen) notes “ AKA May Morris” on the same plot. The site is closed to the public. What I can’t find is any marriage record over a span of years for her and William Morris (or any Morris); although obviously she was using Morris as surname from 1930 on in electoral records. Hope this clarifies my question?
Craig - Glasgow and Perthshire Scotland; Matthews -Lithgow,Wattle Flat NSW, Co Louth Ireland; Marshall - Broxburn, Scotland and Antrim Ireland; McVicars - Antrim Ireland; McPeake, McAtamney-Co Derry, Ireland, Wattle Flat NSW;  Evans, Richards- Cornwall, Wallsend/Newcastle.

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Re: Marriage details in Balmain if not in NSW BDM
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 06:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cass. See my original post, Lillian May Morris is still alive in 1963 so William David George is not the right Morris - unfortunately.
Craig - Glasgow and Perthshire Scotland; Matthews -Lithgow,Wattle Flat NSW, Co Louth Ireland; Marshall - Broxburn, Scotland and Antrim Ireland; McVicars - Antrim Ireland; McPeake, McAtamney-Co Derry, Ireland, Wattle Flat NSW;  Evans, Richards- Cornwall, Wallsend/Newcastle.