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Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« on: Friday 14 June 19 06:51 BST (UK) »
I have a relative who was discharged from the English army in 1915 due to misconduct (convictions by a civil power - mainly drunk and disorderly). Would he have been able to enlist at a later date?
The reason for my question is that I have come across someone with the same name and birth year serving in 1918. The service numbers are different but there are other similarities.
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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 June 19 09:19 BST (UK) »
I'm no expert but conscription was introduced in 1916 so that's something to consider perhaps?

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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 June 19 09:27 BST (UK) »
Just for the sake of historical accuracy in your notes he was discharged from the BRITISH Army. :)

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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 June 19 09:31 BST (UK) »
http://military-researcher.co.uk/KingsRegs1912/para-11.html

Nothing mentioned under "Special Instructions"
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 June 19 09:43 BST (UK) »
So it sounds as if he might have been able to enter the British Army after serving his penal sentence.
Is there a site where I can check for more background details (as opposed to findmypast, ancestry etc)  as the 1918 soldier was awarded the Military Medal.
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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 June 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
I have amended the link I posted originally. I sent "392-12" instead of "392-11" (apologies) - but still nothing about re-enlisting -
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 June 19 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hansard
https://hansard.parliament.uk/search?partial=False

Use search key re-enlistment and restrict dates to "from 08/06/1915 to 08/06/1915"

Returns 1 response - click on "re-enlistment" - but who knows what the thinking was 3 years later?

You can expand search by amending search period.

Do you have his papers re his re-enlistment. Did he make any declarations. How would the recruitment centre processing the documents know/check for previous discharge?
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 June 19 10:29 BST (UK) »
I came across his name in a newspaper article re the Military Medal. I tried to cross reference it with findmypast but it doesn't have much in the way of detail, only really his service number, unit and a bit about the medal. No personal history to confirm or deny.
The newspaper mentioned his occupation (which tallied) and area where he had been living (the Coventry area) but little else.
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Re: Army discharge under kings regulation paragraph 392 XI
« Reply #8 on: Friday 14 June 19 11:47 BST (UK) »
Can you give us name, rank no's & Reg't. for both
We may be able to dig something out.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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