John Dudley

[Bruvid]

Looking for the birth and parents of John Dudley born c1838 posssibly Southwark/Lambeth area. He married Emma Fells in 1867 and he died on the 23 August 1876

[wivenhoe]

St George the Martyr       Southwark  27 Mar 1867
Groom: DUDLEY John, bachelor, full age, residence at marriage Martin Street, costermonger
Father: DUDLEY Joh, costermonger

Bride: FELLS Emma, spinster, full age, residence at marriage Martin Street
Father: FELLS William, costermonger

Witness: John McDOWELL (?)........ Elizabeth PULLEN

John and Emma sign with their mark

[avm228]

Welcome 

You say you are expecting a birth c 1838 in Southwark/Lambeth, but the 1871 census shows him as aged 30 and born Westminster.

He is with wife Emma 22 and daughter Louisa 1: RG10/604/83/13.

[avm228]

A possibility:

Baptised at St Margaret’s, Westminster, 22 November 1841

John Dudley, son of John (a hawker) and Frances, of 12 John’s Buildings.

[avm228]

John and Frances Dudley and their children (including John) are in Southwark by 1861: RG9/331/97/2.

[wivenhoe]

GRO births

DUDLEY, John             mms.          FELLS 
1868  DecQ  St George Southwark Vol 01D  Pg 152

DUDLEY, Louisa               mms.       FELLS 
1870  MarQ  St Saviour Surrey  Vol 01D  Pg 67

DUDLEY, Elizabeth Emma  mms.     FELLS 
1873  DecQ  St Saviour Surrey  Vo 01D  Pg 62

DUDLEY, Mary  Ann         mms.    FELLS 
1875  MarQ  St Saviour Surrey   Vol 01D  Pg 64

DUDLEY, Mary Rachel      mms.     FELLS 
1876  DecQ  St Saviour Surrey  Vol 01D  Pg 58

Baptism Walworth All Saints
1 Sep 1873 DUDLEY Louisa
parents John / Emma General Dealer   19 Martin Street

14 Dec 1873 DUDLEY Emma Elizabeth
parents John / Emma    Fish Curer 19 Martin Street

14 Mar 1875 DUDLEY Mary Ann
parents John / Emma General Dealer 19 Martin Street

5 Nov 1876  DUDLEY Rachel Mary       
parents John / Emma   Gl Dealer   22 Martin Street


For baptism of Louisa, Sep 1873 fathers name John E W...... or might be John Edw

[Bruvid]

Thanks for your assistance guys, I have looked at the John & Frances connection in Westminster previously, but am still undecided whether it is them or not. I don't believe it is.

On John's death in 1876 his age is down as 38 which does not tie in with John from Westminster, although I am aware that ages can get muddled up.

Thank you so much for the birth information, for some reason I didn't think to look for more children. John Dudley and Emma Fells had two other children, Louisa b1870 and William Daniel b1871 (which I had found). I believe William is my grandfather. Unfortunately the middle name Daniel has not appeared on any other records concernng William.

[avm228]

I’m not sure why you would prefer the age recorded at death (inevitably given by someone other than John, as he was dead) over the age he himself gave in the 1871 census?  Have you found another Westminster-born John Dudley at the right sort of time?

[pinefamily]

I agree with avm228. Census ages, especially taken over more than one, are more reliable than a death age.
The more instances you find of age given will help you pinpoint your ancestor.
If you trace John Dudley senior from Westminster, you may find his occupation matches that on the marriage certificate.