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Offline Maiden Stone

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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 20 June 19 17:58 BST (UK) »
Seconding Sinann reply #4. You need to look at original records, not rely on a transcription, which may have been submitted by a user. The ones posted from FamilySearch are following an American naming style for a married woman imo.

Birth registrations on Irish Genealogy.ie (My incomplete transcriptions/summaries):

Registration district: Killala; Year 1873
Child's name: Anne
Name of father: Edward Loftus
Name, surname and maiden surname of mother: Anne Loftus formerly Maughan

Registration district: Ballina; Year 1868
Name of child: Thomas Maughan
Name of father: Anthony Maughan
Names, surname and maiden surname of mother: Ann Maughan formerly Loftus

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en
 I got "internal server error" as well but I have site as a favourite so accessed it that way. Then I got "internal server error again".

Information seems clear to me:
Edward Loftus married a woman called Anne Maughan.
Anthony Maughan married a woman called Anne Loftus.
Have you found their marriages?
You can look for birth registrations of other possible children of those couples on the above civil records site by putting in father's surname and leaving forename box empty and selecting a range of years.

Have you found baptisms for Anne Loftus and Thomas Maughan and/or their siblings? Mother's maiden name was often included in Catholic baptism registers.
I know you have another thread on the family.





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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 June 19 18:41 BST (UK) »
I never rely on a transcription. Transcriptions should only be looked upon as an aid to finding the original image of the document, or document.

Transcriptions can have errors, but many transcriptions often omit other very useful additional, or important information.

Additional information which rules out a link too, is most important, to prevent errors.

Middle surname on the actual document often denotes immediate ancestry, which can include Mother's Maiden Surname etc., or possibly more distant family ancestry / descent.

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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #12 on: Friday 21 June 19 07:22 BST (UK) »
Thanks guys.
I do appreciate your comments.
BUT, I never got a direct answer to my question.
And the original documents say "formerly", which doesn't really help.
"Formerly" could mean previous married name or maiden name, as I see it.
So could this be the previous married name, or is that unlikely?


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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #13 on: Friday 21 June 19 07:53 BST (UK) »
Birth certs give maiden names not previously married names.
A previously married name is called 'late'
Mary Smith formerly Murphy late Brown
Would be Mary Murphy married Brown, he died she married Smith.

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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 June 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks for clarifying that! :D

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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 21 June 19 14:14 BST (UK) »

And the original documents say "formerly", which doesn't really help.
"Formerly" could mean previous married name or maiden name, as I see it.
So could this be the previous married name, or is that unlikely?
The wording at the top of the column in the register of births is "Name, surname and maiden surname of mother" as I wrote in my reply #9. It's quite clear. (quite = completely, in the fullest sense)
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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 April 22 01:13 BST (UK) »
Irish Genealogy is still not working so I found an example from one of my collection.
You can see how the mother is recorded as Donnelly Kimmage but the Donnelly is just her formerly surname on the cert.
Lord knows where they got Hong Kong from ;D

Hi Sinann, Anne Kimmage was my great grandmother. She married Michael Doyle in 1900 then went to Liverpool and gave birth to my grandmother Christina Doyle.. Are you related to the Kimmage/Donnelly families?

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Re: Middle name is a previous married surname?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 05 April 22 10:39 BST (UK) »


Welcome to RootsChat, Bern W  :)

Sinann was last online here yesterday, but no doubt she will come on here and be able to answer your question.

Meanwhile here's the link for others, to the 1900 marriage.
Michael Joseph Doyle and Annie Kimmage - 21st October 1900.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10364/5772760.pdf

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