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Offline MattD30

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Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« on: Thursday 20 June 19 23:31 BST (UK) »
The attached image is from the 1611 will of Edward Greenfield of Pulborough, Sussex. Is anyone here able to make out the name of his wife? It looks like it starts with an "E" and it might be "En..".

Also can anyone confirm the surname of Owen who is mentioned two lines down. I believe it is "Batchelor" or "Bacheler" but would appreciate confirmation.

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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 June 19 00:42 BST (UK) »
'Owen Bacheler'

His wife's name looks like 'Ence'.
Possibly 'Eme'? though looking at the 'me' at the end of 'whome', it is not formed the same -  the start of the  'e' at the end in  'Ence' comes from the top of the letter before, and from the bottom of the letter before in 'whome'
Is that the only mention of her?
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Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 June 19 01:08 BST (UK) »
Looks like Enne  :-\

Would be good to see any other capital 'E' or any other capital which is similar?

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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 June 19 06:02 BST (UK) »
Counting the minims gives us Eme.

I take goldie's point regarding whome, but it's very similar to the end of ordayne.

He's seems to be regular in dotting his i, so I'd say the word doesn't contain an i.

ADDED:

It's a pity the e isn't clearer.  It's hard to tell which form of e it is.

It's more compressed than his normal e (the reversed e).

So is it the backwards 3 type?


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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 June 19 01:58 BST (UK) »
Her name could even be Enid ???

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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 June 19 12:00 BST (UK) »
FreeREG has Marriage but doesnt state if the Bride is a Widow;

01 Oct 1612, St Mary, Pulborough
ENID? Greenfield to Edwd DURE
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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 June 19 22:50 BST (UK) »
Hard to see how this could be a 'd' at the end of her name.
There are several examples of 'd's - in 'payde', 'ordayne', and one at the end of a word in 'p(er)formed'.
They are very distinctive with a large backward loop.

The letter at the end of her name looks the same as at the end of 'wife', 'whome', 'make' ........ - as Horselydown says, the classic backwards 'e' of this hand.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
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Re: Name of wife and surname of Owen?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 June 19 23:36 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thanks for all those suggestions. The first time I looked at this Will I thought her name was "Eme" which I thought be a miss-spelling of "Amy" (perhaps it was heard wrongly?) but then I wondered if it was "Ema"

I am pretty sure that the first letter is definitely an "E" and agree that the last letter is hard to identify. It could be an "e" or an "a" but I haven't seen any other letters in the Will that look like it at all. Sadly this is the only point at which she is mentioned so it's hard to compare the name to other examples of it in the Will.

I agree that the last letter is most likely not a "d" however.

If I can see any other examples of the letters in the Will I will post them up here.

Thanks for all the ideas and help
Matt