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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 June 19 23:09 BST (UK) »
so working from the 1871
Zion  Row, Bedminster RG10/2508 folio 10 pg 11
John Bird head mar 55 miner b. Sirhowy
Catherine wife 40 washerwoman b. Bedminster
Catherine dau 14 b. Garndiffaith
Mary Ann dau 12 b. Garndiffaith
Esther dau 9 b. Garndiffaith
Sophia dau 5 b. Garndiffaith

Marriage sept qtr 1852 John Bird vol 11b pg 169 with Catherine Charley on the same page

baptisms 25 Nov 1861 in Bedwellty, Mon  for Catherine, Mary Ann, Esther and John children of John & Catherine Bird address Blackwood

1881  Cumberland Tce, Bedminster RG11/2450 folio 83 pg 12
Esther Bird servant 19 b. Blackwood, Mon

death reg
Catherine Bird age 52 march qtr 1882 Bedminster vol 5c pg 484

possible?
John Bird 57 jan qtr 1875 Clifton vol 6a pg 110
or
John Bird 63 sept qtr 1881 Bristol vol 6a pg 27
which is this burial
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XT92-PM4

not this one, he's a Chelsea pensioner living in Greenbank Road St George in 1881
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #10 on: Friday 21 June 19 23:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey,
             Your info is as I have it. Like the death of John in 1875 I will put in an order for his death printout with GRO.
My cousin did not agree with me about him dying about 1875 because of Ada's birth, I did not come across this one myself. The Great Grand daughters that I have been in contact with are pleased with what we have found so far and this death will put them that much closer to their past. They all agreed that something happened as they all said their Grandmothers said John and Catherine children were orphans.
Will let you know about the cert as soon as I get it. All I need it to find them on the 1881 census, were they in workhouses or homes. They definitely were not with their Aunt and Uncle in Wales or their married sisters.
Thank you so much for help.
Regards Mauze       

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 22 June 19 00:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey,
             Have just ordered a copy of cert. for John should know by 29 of this month.
Ada Louisa Bird was born 21 March 1875 and if it is correct John died in March Quarter same year.
            WOW I am so excited can't wait.
            This will nearly finish the Bird family for me and then I can concentrate on my 3 x Great Grandfather a convict sent to Tasmania in 1839, he was a career criminal, even have his record with photo's from about 1876.
            No birth for him though just like my Birds this part still missing.
Regards Mauze 

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 22 June 19 00:53 BST (UK) »
Found those post's from  Arranroots will have a look through them. I still can't find anyone in the 1881. Hope that 1875 death cert is the right person.

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 June 19 01:01 BST (UK) »
Have you got Catherine's death cert. It should state "widow" if John died in 1875.

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 22 June 19 01:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Osprey,
             Yes we do that is why we discounted the 1875 death of John. She died Feb. 1882 and it does not say Widow of John Bird. It was reported by her daughter Sarah Gay nee Bird she was living at 1 Mill Lane, which is where Catherine was living at one time, when she died she was at 22 Paul St.
             The fact that it does not say widow does not surprise me. I could be wrong though, I will wait for the cert. to come.
Bye Maureen

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 22 June 19 03:58 BST (UK) »
On the marriage of  Esther to Joseph Webb in 1888 it states Father = John Bird (Deceased), occ = Collier.

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 June 19 04:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Solidrock,
                 Thank you for that I had heard that he was dead by the time Esther married in 1888, I am going for 1875 death first and see what happens. I know that Catherine (mother) death cert 1882 does not say she was a widow. If it is not the one I will have to choose more wisely we already have few. One in 1888 was Draper so he is out. 1883 out also a Haulier in Pontypridd. One in 1878 out also he was in Wellington.
                 There was an entry on Find my Past for a John Bird Burial in Roath, Wales 1875 , no death info on GRO though.
                 Thanks once again. Mauze 

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Re: Bird family from Wales
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 22 June 19 09:21 BST (UK) »
what's the problem with the haulier death? That can be a mining occupation.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/haulier

Although there is a John Bird aged 58 in Llanwonno in 1881 who is a general carrier

If the death cert of Catherine says wife of John Bird, he is alive as far as the person reporting the death knows.

Can't see an 1875 burial in Roath, but there is one in 1871, that John Bird was an alderman in Cardiff

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3388241/3388247/38/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb