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Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« on: Friday 21 June 19 13:15 BST (UK) »
I'm looking for help to find out more about my GG grandparents David Miskelly and Mary McPherson. David was born around 1820 to John Miskelly and Helen Blain or Blair, and Mary a few years earlier to James McPherson and Hannah Jackson. They had five children all born in Ireland (John c.1841, Margaret c.1845, Helen c.1850, Eliza c.1852 and David c.1856). At some point between 1856 and 1861 they moved to Old Luce, Wigtownshire, Scotland. Daughter Margaret died there in February 1861, and the rest of the family is shown in the 1861 Scotland Census. Any help with the Irish connection (I'm guessing most likely Antrim) would be appreciated.
Wigtownshire:Milroy,Paterson,McClelland,Kelly,Sheridan,Dodds,McCulloch,Stewart,McPherson,Broadfoot,Donnan,Carnochan,Agnew,Blair,Jackson,Brown,McAllister,McGill,Barclay,Montgomery,Davidson,Kennedy,Donaldson
Glasgow:Kay,Miller,Anderson,Gray,Mair,Young
Kirkcudbrightshire:Hutchison,Robertson
Renfrewshire:Loudon,Harper
Fife:Barnett,Macdonald,Thomson,Lumsden,Henderson,Wood,Pryde,Melville,Stevenson,Farney
Moray:Sutherland
Stirlingshire: Sharp
Berwickshire:Craig,Buchanan

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 June 19 13:41 BST (UK) »
Have you traced any later census' which may give you the area in Ireland they were born?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 June 19 16:38 BST (UK) »
If there were any children born in Scotland 1861 onwards, the Scottish birth certificates should record where and when the parents married.

Did they claim under the Poor Law in Scotland? If they did, then the Poor Law records often show where they came from in Ireland. (Not sure whether Wigtownshire Poor Law records survive or where they are kept but you might want to investigate).
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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 June 19 17:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Annie and Elwyn for your quick responses. It gets complicated in Scotland as David Miskelly is referred to as either Miskelly or Kelly on different occasions. Additionally his daughter Helen (or Ellen), my great grandmother, has also been referred to as one or the other in records. No evidence of further children born in Scotland, but I have found a Miskelly birth in Old Luce in 1870 and that is for an Alexander born illegitimately to Ellen Jane Miskelly. It seems very likely that Ellen was my great grandmother (from signature on separate records and other inf.) She went on to marry William Paterson in Old Luce in 1875. I have searched but found nothing helpful so far in later Scotland Censuses.
Wigtownshire:Milroy,Paterson,McClelland,Kelly,Sheridan,Dodds,McCulloch,Stewart,McPherson,Broadfoot,Donnan,Carnochan,Agnew,Blair,Jackson,Brown,McAllister,McGill,Barclay,Montgomery,Davidson,Kennedy,Donaldson
Glasgow:Kay,Miller,Anderson,Gray,Mair,Young
Kirkcudbrightshire:Hutchison,Robertson
Renfrewshire:Loudon,Harper
Fife:Barnett,Macdonald,Thomson,Lumsden,Henderson,Wood,Pryde,Melville,Stevenson,Farney
Moray:Sutherland
Stirlingshire: Sharp
Berwickshire:Craig,Buchanan

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 June 19 23:16 BST (UK) »
Can you please post all details from the 1861, names, address, occs?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 June 19 00:00 BST (UK) »
I have found a Miskelly birth in Old Luce in 1870 and that is for an Alexander born illegitimately to Ellen Jane Miskelly.

Did you notice whether there was a RCE (Register of Corrected Entries) for Alexander on SP?

I see Alexander has a middle name 'Allison' which could help with later searches?
Allison could be a clue to his father's surname?

Ellen Jane Miskelly went on to marry William Paterson in Old Luce in 1875...

What info. is on the marriage?
Ages/occs/parents occs/witnesses/addresses & were E J's parents deceased?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 June 19 01:52 BST (UK) »
1861 Census:
Address - Craig, Old Luce, Wigtownshire.
David Miskelly, 41, Head, Male, Ireland, Ploughman.
Mary Miskelly, 45, Wife, Female, Ireland.
John Miskelly, 20, Son, Male, Ireland, Servant.
Helen Jane Miskelly, 11, Daughter, Female, Ireland.
Eliza Miskelly, 9, Daughter, Female, Ireland.
David Miskelly, 5, Son, Male, Ireland.
 

No RCE noted on Alexanders birth record. Recorded illegitimate, born at Glenjorrie, Old Luce with only mother's  given - Ellen Jane Miskelly, Domestic Servant. Yes, I too suspect "Allison" is a hint towards the father. The 1875 marriage:

On 9 July at Carscreugh, Old Luce,
William Paterson, 24, Hamilton
Ellen Kelly, 23, Stranraer
No occupations given
Peter Paterson, Plowman, (mother) Agnes Stewart
David Kelly, Labourer, mother's name Mary McPherson
James Morland Witness - Elizabeth McWilliam, Witness.

None of the parents is marked as deceased. I have death records for them all and know that only Agnes Stewart was in fact deceased (1865).
 
Wigtownshire:Milroy,Paterson,McClelland,Kelly,Sheridan,Dodds,McCulloch,Stewart,McPherson,Broadfoot,Donnan,Carnochan,Agnew,Blair,Jackson,Brown,McAllister,McGill,Barclay,Montgomery,Davidson,Kennedy,Donaldson
Glasgow:Kay,Miller,Anderson,Gray,Mair,Young
Kirkcudbrightshire:Hutchison,Robertson
Renfrewshire:Loudon,Harper
Fife:Barnett,Macdonald,Thomson,Lumsden,Henderson,Wood,Pryde,Melville,Stevenson,Farney
Moray:Sutherland
Stirlingshire: Sharp
Berwickshire:Craig,Buchanan

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 June 19 02:40 BST (UK) »
This looks to be the family in 1871...

Address - Glenhead Worker House, Old Luce

Marry Kelly 52 Head,Housekeeper b Ireland
Allan I Kelly 21 (Dau)! b Ire (Likely Ellen J)?
Eliza Kelly   18 Dau b Ire
David Kelly 15 Son b Ire
James Hamilton   7 (Adopted) b Leswalt, Wigton!
Robert Munchan   5 (Adopted) b Glenluce, Wigton
Maggie Keely 1 (Adopted) b Ditto
Alexander A Keely 1 Mo G/Son b Ditto

Parish: Old Luce; ED: 4; Page: 1; Line: 1; Roll: CSSCT1871_189

You would need to check the original for the status of Mary (i.e. W/M)? & any transcription errors although Alexander A looks positive?


Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Miskelly from Ireland to Scotland 1850s
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 June 19 01:05 BST (UK) »
Hmm...not sure but worth noting...

1881 - Longhill Farm Cottage, Glasserton, Wigtown

John RODIE Head 37 M Ag Labourer b Glen Luce (Or Old Luce), Wigtown, Scotland
Agnes RODIE Wife 38 b Ireland
Agnes RODIE Dau 15 b Whithorn, Wigtown
Jane RODIE Dau 13 b Mochrum, Wigtown
Elizabeth RODIE Dau 8 b Glasserton, Wigtown
John RODIE Son 6 Glasserton
Isabella RODIE Daur 4 b Glasserton
Andrew RODIE Son 1 b Glasserton

Alexander KELLY Boarder 9 b Glenluce Or Old Luce, Wigtown (Could this be Alexander A)?
Elizabeth KELLY Visitor 15 b Glenluce Or Old Luce

There's room for a child between John c1841 & Margaret c1845 & Agnes could slot in there  :-\

Marriage (May be worth a look)?

RODIE JOHN & KELLY AGNES 1863
901/ 14 Wigtown

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"