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St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:20 BST (UK) »
Can anyone tell me if St Patrick's church Jersey City would have been local to an address I have for a family I have in the 1900 U.S.census.

The info I have is that Patrick Edward Burns was baptised at the church in 1902, his parents were Patrick Burns and Mary Burns nee Leonard.
The sponsors were Patrick and Mary Leonard.

I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.

I also note that on same census at an address at district 4, Newark City Ward 2 Essex N.J. I have Patrick Leonard with wife Margaret.

I was wondering was St Patricks church local to the Burns family address circa 1900 ?
I was also wondering what would the distance between the Burns and Leonard family address's have been circa 1900 ? 

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 22:01 BST (UK) »

I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.


This Patrick Burns is married to a Mary Cunningham. They are listed as age 35 & 30. The census also states they were married about 1891.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JZ-S1C

The daughter Josephine is listed as being born Mar. 1900.
Her birth record list DOB as 12 Mar 1900 and mother as Mary Cunningham. Parents age listed as 35 & 30

Birth Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCN7-1MQ

Here is Patrick & Mary's marriage for May 1890

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZG1-D9Z

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 22:47 BST (UK) »

I note that on the 1900 census there is a Patrick and Mary Burns with 2 children, Patrick J aged 8, and Josephine 0, at an address at.
Orange City, Ward 5 Essex N.J.


This Patrick Burns is married to a Mary Cunningham. They are listed as age 35 & 30. The census also states they were married about 1891.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JZ-S1C

The daughter Josephine is listed as being born Mar. 1900.
Her birth record list DOB as 12 Mar 1900 and mother as Mary Cunningham. Parents age listed as 35 & 30

Birth Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FCN7-1MQ

Here is Patrick & Mary's marriage for May 1890

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZG1-D9Z

Thank you, im trying to find the birth for the Patrick Edward Burns with mother Mary Leonard in 1902 who was baptised in St Patricks Church...at least I can dismiss this above couple now.

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 23:45 BST (UK) »
You can put the three cities into Google maps and see where they are. New Jersey is densely populated and, just guessing, was probably densely populated in 1900 as well. Off hand without researching, I would say there must have been a Catholic church in each town, and there would be no need to go to the next town over to have your child baptized.
Google 'Catholic church, <somewhere> NJ' or something similar and it should tell you. Add in "1900" or "history of" if you have to narrow it down.

- Unless they moved between 1900 and 1902 :)
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 12:15 BST (UK) »
Here is what you are up against. Four men in 1902, 7 in 1900, and only one overlap. At least 6 possible Mary Leonards in Jersey City in 1900. A closer look at the 1905 census by you, me or someone else might turn them up, but I didn't find them at first glance. Ancestry.com had the index of the 1902 baptism, but no other suggested records for the parents.

1902 Jersey City City Directory

Burns,
  Patrick, foreman, 180 16th
  Patrick, laborer, 551 Grand
  Patrick, laborer, 177 13th
  Patrick J, bartender 147 St Pauls's Avenue

1903 Jersey City City Directory
Burns,
  Patrick, foreman, 180 16th
  Patrick, laborer, 177 13th
  Patrick J, bartender 147 St Pauls's Avenue

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1900 Census, Jersey City

339 Johnson Avenue
Burns, Patrick, 38, single, laborer born in Ireland, arrived 1898, alien, boarder,

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JT-LTG

12 Spruce Street
Burns, Patrick, 23, single, brother of the head of house James J, arrived 1899, laborer

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J1-YFL

83 Clinton Avenue
Burns, Patrick, 30, single, brother to head Michael, born in Ireland, arrived 1887, foreman, steel steel works

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JB-329

246 Wayne Street
Burns, Patrick K, 26, single, son of head Bridget, a widow, born in New Jersey, a produce clerk

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JT-9SX

474 Henderson Street
Burns, Patrick, head, 34, widowed, born in Ireland, arrived 1880, freight handler

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J5-NZS

180 16th Street
Byrnes, Patrick, 25, single, son of head Henry, born in New Jersey, a foreman

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9J5-CJZ

199 Warren Street
Burns, Pat, 24, single, brother in law to haed Pat McGovern, born in New Jersey, a barrel cooper

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JP-64D

at familysearch.org, I found 6 Mary Leonards in the 1900 census in Jersey City, who were of childbearing age and single.

I don't see the child Patrick, age 3 or so, on the 1905 Census of New Jersey. I might look more closely later.
 
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 12:21 BST (UK) »
searches at familysearch and ancestry for Patrick Burns, born NJ in 1902, parents Patrick Burns and Mary Leonard, came up empty.
search by exact date of birth at ancestry.com, came up empty.

I'm assuming you don't know anything more about the parents,  Patrick E and Mary Leonard, correct?

edit:
Just noticed you have the sponsors. Have you looked for them?
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 12:36 BST (UK) »
What I should have asked first is: Are you trying to find the parents of the boy who was baptized in 1902, or are you tracing the family in Orange, NJ, in 1900, and wondering if that was their son?

If the second, then you can disregard all my other posts, since RJ137 answered your question.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 13:44 BST (UK) »
Here is a Patrick and Mary Leonard in Jersey City in 1900, with brother in law Anthony O'Donohue. I noticed you have asked about this family before and seem to have a location in Ireland that they were from. Does the name O'Donohue occur near your Leonards in Ireland?

1900 Jersey City
at 139 Bayview Avenue

Leonard, Patrick, born Mar 1872, day laborer, oil yard, arrived 1895, naturalization papers pending
Leonard, Mary, born Aug 1873, arrived 1898
married 1 year, no children
O'Donohue, Anthony, 24, brother in law, day laborer, oil yard, arrived 1895, naturalization papers pending
all born in Ireland

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JY-L3Y

There were 5 Patrick Leonards in Jersey City in 1902, none of them at that address. 3 had skilled occupations, leaving one at 10 Bright Street and one at 381 Jackson Ave, both laborers. Anthony O'Donohue was not listed.

Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

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Re: St Patrick's church Jersey City Baptism 1902.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 13:45 BST (UK) »
What I should have asked first is: Are you trying to find the parents of the boy who was baptized in 1902, or are you tracing the family in Orange, NJ, in 1900, and wondering if that was their son?

If the second, then you can disregard all my other posts, since RJ137 answered your question.

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