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Daniel Kirwen
« on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:23 BST (UK) »
can anybody find Daniel Kirven, he is lost off the face of the earth lol..

married Ann Doyle 26 Feb 1878 in Liverpool, he is on the 1881 census, but then on the 1891 census he has disappeared and Ann is still classed as wife and not widow. I cant seem to find any death records for him.

Bit of a nightmare as the name has so many variations so I am unable to locate much for him :(

I have found one possible baptism record in Kildare, Ireland mother Mary Mason and father Daniel Kirwen 1835 but unfortunately I cant locate anything else for any of them :(

my grandads name is kirven, but I think back then it was kirwen or kirwan xxx

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:24 BST (UK) »
How old was he at marriage? At census?
Occupation at both?
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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:32 BST (UK) »
census - 40 Labourer (listed as david kerwin here)
marriage - no age but timeline on ancestry puts him at 42, however this doesn't make sense as the marriage was in 1878

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:33 BST (UK) »
they have some children

Daniel Kirvin
1867–

Anna Kervin
1869–1870

Patrick kervin
1871–

William Kervin
1874–
Edit

James Kerwin
1876–

John Kervin
1878-1964

Mary Ann Kervin
1881–

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:50 BST (UK) »
Whose kids are those?
1881 lists (free index, familysearch)

David Kirwin   Head   Male   40   Wexford, Ireland
Ann Kirwin   Wife   Female   33   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
David Kirwin   Son   Male   14   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Patrick Kirwin   Son   Male   11   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Kirwin   Son   Male   3   Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Where did Anna's birth and death come from?

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 02 July 19 20:56 BST (UK) »
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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 06:40 BST (UK) »
Kirwan on official marriage record Roman Catholic Records site

1878   196   O L RECONCILIATION   ANN   ANNAM   DOYLE   DANIEL   DANIEL   KIRWAN

http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co.uk/liverpoolrcmarriages/marriages.php
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daughter Catherines baptism - different church

1886-4005   ST BRIGID   282-BRI-1-2 (162)   1885   1886   CATHERINE   KIRWAN   DANIEL      ANN   DOYLE
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I wonder has he chaged his name to JOHN KIRWAN - in 1901 there is this family - Catherine Kirwan BORN 1886 - AND ONLY ONE WAS REGISTERED IN LIVERPOOL THAT YEAR ??
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Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
John Kirwan
Head
Male
45
Ireland Dirtherrin
Ann Kirwan
Wife
Female
45
Liverpool, Lancashire
Catherine Kirwan
Daughter
Female
15
Liverpool, Lancashire
John Kirwan
Son
Male
13
Liverpool, Lancashire
Gerald Kirwan
Son
Male
11
Liverpool, Lancashire
THIS LOOKS LIKE the right family to me - what do other people think ??

oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 06:43 BST (UK) »
Whose kids are those?
1881 lists (free index, familysearch)

David Kirwin   Head   Male   40   Wexford, Ireland
Ann Kirwin   Wife   Female   33   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
David Kirwin   Son   Male   14   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Patrick Kirwin   Son   Male   11   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Kirwin   Son   Male   3   Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Where did Anna's birth and death come from?

this looks a different family - they only married in 1878 ??
oakes,liverpool..neston..backford..poulton cum spittal(bebington)middlewich,cheshire......   sacht,helgoland  .......merrick,herefordshire adams,shropshire...tipping..ellis..  jones,garston,liverpool..hartley.dunham massey..barker. salford

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Re: Daniel Kirwen
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 03 July 19 07:43 BST (UK) »
Is this the family of the 1878 marriage?

GRO births
KIRWEN, Elizabeth Ellen   mms.    DOYLE 
1882  DecQ   Oldham  Vol 08D  Pg 663

KIRWEN, Anne        mms.      DOYLE 
1884  DecQ   Oldham  Vol 08D  Pg 697

KIRWEN, Edward     mms.       DOYLE 
1886  SepQ    Oldham  Vol. 08D  Pg 727

KIRWEN, Margaret   mms.    DOYLE 
1889  JanQ    Oldham  Vol 08D  Pg 726

KIRWEN, Elizabeth    mms.   DOYLE 
1891  DecQ    Oldham  Vol 08D  Pg 690

KIRWEN, CATHERINE  mms.   DOYLE 
1894  SepQ    Oldham  Vol 08D  Pg 658


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