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Re: Trying to solve a mystery
« Reply #36 on: Saturday 06 July 19 13:33 BST (UK) »
I think she is probably the eldest daughter of Eliza TOTHAM and Israel SAUNDERS.  She is at home in Colchester in 1851 and in 1861 she is in the home of William GRIFFIN as a servant and also there as housekeeper is the person that I think is her grandmother, Eliza TOTHAM.

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Re: Trying to solve a mystery
« Reply #37 on: Saturday 06 July 19 15:49 BST (UK) »
Another possibility perhaps (birth year 2 years different from 1871 record)?

Birth:
FRANCIS, ELIZA        no MMN recorded-     
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in COLCHESTER UNION  Volume 12  Page 66

possible 1851 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGV6-T7C

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Re: Trying to solve a mystery
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 06 July 19 21:06 BST (UK) »
I think she is probably the eldest daughter of Eliza TOTHAM and Israel SAUNDERS.  She is at home in Colchester in 1851 and in 1861 she is in the home of William GRIFFIN as a servant and also there as housekeeper is the person that I think is her grandmother, Eliza TOTHAM.

Debra  :)


But Eliza is down as unmarried in that 1871. If she was pretending to be FRANCIS wouldnít she be saying she was widowed?
I think more likely the father of the boys is Mr SA(U)NDERS


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Re: Trying to solve a mystery
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 07 July 19 00:28 BST (UK) »
Eliza Francis b.31/3/1846 (should be 1845), bp.5/9/1852 St. Botolph, Colchester, dau. of Mary Ann.
Mary Ann Francis b.11/4/1848,                      ditto                     ditto                            ditto

Mary Ann Francis shown as born Ardleigh on 1851 census:
Baptisms at Ardleigh

Mary Ann Francis bp.16/5/1823, dau. of John and Mary
Harriet Francis bp.1/10/1826                ditto
Frederick Francis, bp.4/8/1831, son of John and Mary
Mahala Francis, bp.14/4/1833, dau.       ditto
John Francis bp.228/5/1835    son of     ditto
James Francis bc.1837                          ditto
David Francis bp.9/3/1841                    ditto

John Francis married Mary Watcham 6/5/1823 Ardleigh

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Re: Trying to solve a mystery
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 07 July 19 02:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much everyone for your help and ideas itís certainly difficult to work out especially if Eliza is covering her identity.  It still is odd that Dianneís father must have ordered the death certificate for Felix Francis, I also checked the date of the copy of the birth certificate which I re checked when that was issued and it looks like 22nd of August 1928.  Perhaps Alfredís son Albert ordered these when trying to work out his fatherís identity.  Or did he need them himself?  I will try some of the names mentioned to re check against Dianneís DNA.  I know how frustrating it is for me not knowing the identity of 3 of my GG Grandfathers it must be even more frustrating for Dianne not knowing who her great grandparents were.