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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 08:36 BST (UK) »
Q....
Red Post   Question :  What Queensland document gives you 'Notting Dale'  :)


JM

There is no 'document' that mentions Notting Dale - was literally the house name, just as my address is Little House

My NSW ancestors addresses on various official documents, circa 1880s through to mid 1950s including on  NSW b.c.s frequently included the 'house name' but not the house number,  :) 
JM

Homely  :)

Homely ... what an unusual word ... I think you may find it was the usual practice, not just of my ancestors, but for the non metropolitan districts in regional Qld and in regional NSW until perhaps the mid 1950s ....   I have just been speaking with one of my elderly rellies, on the phone, errr ... he is closer to 110 than to 100 years of age.   Many of the farms etc in and around Bundaberg, Goodnight Scrubs, Mt Perry, etc  Qld, were known by their farm name until very recently, and some did not change over to the 'new' system until this century.   

Re PEARSON,  there still is nothing prohibiting any person from becoming known by any name, provided they were not seeking to deceive or defraud....   He may well have become known as Ralph PEARSON prior to coming to Australia.   It will be easier to check closer once we have learnt what information is on his d.c. re 'how long in the colonies'....

JM

By using significant farm names, rather than insignificant farm numbers, the families have left behind useful heritage, in this case made all the difference in finding Ralph

Will see if death certificate is available

Thank you

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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 08:56 BST (UK) »
This arrival to Brisbane has the right birth date


Name-John  SHELTON

Age25  (Birth Year 1849 )

Ship  Ramsey

Port of Departure London, England

Port of Arrival Brisbane

Arrival Date 9 Jun 1874

Sue

ADDING
The only thing extra shown on the digitised record for this arrival, is that John was single.

Thank you that's the next piece of the puzzle, unable to find a death certificate for first wife Sarah Shelton (nee Coleman) in 1871 to 1874 or her left behind with children in 1881, to see if he was starting a new life as a single man or not

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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 09:25 BST (UK) »
Miles away from London....but....there is a marriage for a John Sheldon to Elizabeth Pearson in Derbyshire in 1832....
Puplett, Sonnex, Lott, Dunkiss, Hart - London area.
Hudson, Jenner, Dedman - Sussex
Leach, Hopkins, Saunders - Wales
Leach, Lipscombe - Hampshire
Sipthorpe - Lancashire
Walters - Cornawall & Australia
Kingshott, Matheson, Pitt, McDonald, Keogh - Australia.

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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 09:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole!

A tree on Anc has a Ralph J Shelton b c1849 Shepherd's Bush parents John & Elizabeth (Croucher)

He's a married Labourer in 1871 PoB given as Hammersmith

Ralph not a common name i.e. possibly worth keeping in mind if something crops up?

Annie

Please are you able to send a link to the family tree
Thank you

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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 10:10 BST (UK) »
Miles away from London....but....there is a marriage for a John Sheldon to Elizabeth Pearson in Derbyshire in 1832....

Thank you

That is such a good match for Ralph changing his name later, how could they have met in Derbyshire

So the Elizabeth Croucher is not the mother then

1841 Census
John is born in Middlesex
Elizabeth is born in Middlesex

1851 Census
John is born in Wantage, Berkshire
Elizabeth is born in Cobham, Surrey

1861 Census
John is born in Englefield, Berkshire
Elizabeth is born in Cobham, Surrey


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Re: RALPH PEARSON - BORN ENGLAND, LONDON, SETTLED AUSTRALIA
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 10:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole!

A tree on Anc has a Ralph J Shelton b c1849 Shepherd's Bush parents John & Elizabeth (Croucher)

He's a married Labourer in 1871 PoB given as Hammersmith

Ralph not a common name i.e. possibly worth keeping in mind if something crops up?

Annie

Please are you able to send a link to the family tree
Thank you

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/tree/21019175/family?cfpid=1023983233&selnode=1

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Re: Ralph Pearson - England, London, settled Australia
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 10:45 BST (UK) »
Ralph 1920 death certificate states that he lived in Australian states “between 40 and 50 years Queensland and New South Wales”.

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Re: Ralph Pearson - England, London, settled Australia
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 13:00 BST (UK) »
Please are you able to send a link to the family tree

Tree - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/21019175/person/1023983242/facts

1841 John Shelton
Class: HO107; Piece: 690; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Hammersmith; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 39; Page: 8; Line: 17; GSU roll: 438806

1851 John Shiltson
https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1851&indiv=try&h=2143333
Class: HO107; Piece: 1470; Folio: 347; Page: 27; GSU roll: 87793

Marriage? Date fits for birth of 1st child but some distance away (difficult to be sure)?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:2:77XR-XSJ1?i=18&cc=1911752

I've done the searches i.e. posting some finds which may in turn be of use to others if not this particular query...

These are rather confusing...a long shot but worth possible consideration even with the anomalies

1881 - John R Shelton (Widower) Occ. Gas Fitter (not sure it fits with what's known)?

Class: RG11; Piece: 337; Folio: 54; Page: 4; GSU roll: 1341073

He has a son John M Shelton born c1864 St Pancras, Middlesex https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q279-152H

Born 1863 & Baptised 1865 Father John a Labourer (pre marriage OP found 1868)?...

Baptism? - Mother Amelia (see death below)...Not too convincing but not impossible...
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYY3-WZ8

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o0z/
Death? Emily (i.e. Amelia)? SARAH Shelton 1875

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J2P-5K5

http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=amelia

The migration found by Sparret was Jun 1874 i.e. brings into question whether he's the same chap given the death of possible wife was over 1 yr later in 1875

The DC would need to be purchased to find out if her hubby John was the informant

I hope this doesn't confuse matters although I have my own doubts on whether they are the same couple


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Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: Ralph Pearson - England, London, settled Australia
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 09 July 19 14:34 BST (UK) »

1851 CENSUS
Ralph and parents/siblings living in Wood Lane, Hammersmith
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_Lane

1861 CENSUS
Ralph and parents/siblings living in Southbrook Street, Hammersmith

1871 CENSUS
Ralph and wife Sarah living in Portland Road, with older brother Henry in Portland Road
Portland Road is in Notting Hill, NOTTING DALE
This is where Ralph moves from seemingly the pits of hell but maybe a happy marriage and happy family life to want to name his Australian home Nottingdale

John Shelton and Elizabeth Pearson who marry in Derbyshire, such a good fit for Ralph changing his name to Pearson, could they have moved from Derbyshire to London for work - but how did they meet John living in Berkshire and Elizabeth living in Surrey

Thank you Annie for all your suggestions, alot to think about!