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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 06:34 BST (UK) »
Lizzie signed as Bayley on the 1864 marriage cert.  Father James - occ builder

The marriage cert shows her as 17yrs old but the 1871 as aged 22.  She is still Lizzie on the 1871 entry and was born Chesterfield Derbyshire.   The family were in Nantwich Cheshire in 1871

Charles was quite a bit older than her - 43 in 1871 and a solicitor

Birthyear is unreliable as in 1881 she is 30 - which would mean she was only 13 when she married!!

In 1891 she is 39 - born 1852
1901 born 1851
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I would have thought CaroleW has it spot on - aged 17 - she would have had to have had her dads permission to marry - so I believe her age of 17 to be correct at the time of marriage
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Marriage: 8 Aug 1864 St Augustine, Everton, Lancashire, England
Charles Stuart Brooke - Full, Gentleman, Batchelor, Wimbledon Surrey
Lizzie Bayley - 17, Spinster, Walton
    Groom's Father: Thomas Brooke, Clergyman
    Bride's Father: James Bayley, Builder
    Witness: John Goodall; Ann Jenkinson
    Married by Licence by: J B Conor
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 08:29 BST (UK) »
She declared her age as 17 for the marriage licence (Chester, 5 August 1864) and gave oath that she had no living parent or guardian to consent to the marriage.
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 08:38 BST (UK) »
She declared her age as 17 for the marriage licence (Chester, 5 August 1864) and gave oath that she had no living parent or guardian to consent to the marriage.

Intruiging - 3 days before the marriage - so it is possible the father James Bayley occ builder is made up??    - can you explain why she would go to Chester for a Marriage Licence please - that baffles me - cheers
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 10:08 BST (UK) »
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can you explain why she would go to Chester for a Marriage Licence please

I believe Liverpool was part of the Archdeaconry of Chester.

Also Charles Stuart Brooke was an Ensign in the 33rd Chester Rifle Volunteer Corps.
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 10:30 BST (UK) »
They would not go to Chester. Licences were generally provided by surrogates, (who was a clergyman, or other person, appointed by a Bishop as his deputy) Bishops appointed enough surrogates to cover their dioceses. For instance in 1854 there were twenty surrogates in Liverpool alone for the Bishop of Chester.

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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 11:18 BST (UK) »
See Family Search.  Charles Stuart Brooke was christened 29.5.1827 Wistaston Cheshire.  Parents Thomas & Maria.  You can find him with parents and siblings on the 1851 census
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 11:40 BST (UK) »
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can you explain why she would go to Chester for a Marriage Licence please

I believe Liverpool was part of the Archdeaconry of Chester.


Liverpool was in the Diocese of Chester until 1880, when the Diocese of Liverpool was formed.

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Re: 55 (not 35) Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 16:29 BST (UK) »
55 Spencer Street was a sizeable terraced property - to let in 1862: "To let with immediate possession, an excellent Family House 55 Spencer street, Everton, containing two kitchens, two parlours, four bedrooms, butler's pantry, water-closet and bath, with hot and cold water throughout"
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Re: 35 Spencer Steet, Walton, Liverpool
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 July 19 17:04 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for all the replies. I do have all the information of the family following the marriage. Sorry about misreading 35 for 55. Interesting that it was to let in 1862. 55 is still among the missing houses in Spencer Street in the 1861 census. In the 1851 census the house numbers have not been transcribed in FindMyPast, but it can be found by scrolling through the images.
The whole record of the marriage is a bit odd. It states the Charles Brooke's residence was Wimbledon, Surrey, but I can't find any connection there. He was born in Wistaston, Cheshire, and lived for a few years in Liverpool after his marriage, before moving to Nantwich.
I can find no record of the birth of a Lizzie Bayley, but there was an Elizabeth Bailey baptised in 1846 in North Wingfield, Derbyshire, the daughter of James Bailey, a brickmaker. North Wingfield is near to Chesterfield, the place of birth given for Lizzie in the later censuses. The date fits with the age of 17 at the marriage, and it was stated that the father was James. I'm pretty certain that Elizabeth Bailey must have been Lizzie, even though Lizzie's father was described as a builder, and both parents were living at the time of the marriage.
I thought if I could find the occupants of 55 it might provide a clue, but it might not have been of help.