Looking for Hannah SHOOTER (b abt 1853) Hucknall

[Newfloridian]

I am researching a branch of the TILLEY family who moved from Northamptonshire to Nottinghamshire in the 1870s and have run into a mass of confusions and seemingly dead ends.

The indexes show that John William TILLEY married Hannah SHOOTER in the Basford District in OND 1878. The 1881 and 1891 censuses show that they lived in Watnall Road, Hucknall and that Hannah's year of birth was about 1853. These censuses also show three children: Mary Ann, Samuel and Louisa. Hannah died in 1891.

First mystery: in 1911 John William (living with daughter Louisa) declared that there had been five children of which two had died. - who were these other two?

Second mystery: Who was Hannah Shooter - and who were her parents?

Between 1880 and 1891, the GRO indexes list four births in Basford with MMN Shooter. This fourth one was Edna born in 1882.  Edna never appeared with the family in Hucknall. However there is an Edna Tilley listed in the 1891 census aged 9 born in Hucknall Torkard living in Westbury on Trym Gloucestershire. The head is Henry Sheppard (26 also from Hucknall Torkard) who describes Edna as niece. She is in the same household in 1901.  Is this the same Edna? and if so how do Henry Sheppard and Hannah Shooter connect.

There is a tree on Ancestry which does claim this Edna to be John William and Hannah's child. However it also gives Hannah's date of birth as 1870 and her parents as John Shooter and Ann Sheppard (born 1843) - mismatch of dates there.

So, are parish registers available on line which might show who Hannah's father was? I'm leaning towards the idea that she might have been born illegitimate before her Sheppard mother married a Shooter.

Many thanks Alan

[louisa maud]

have you looked at this

 1871 England Census; : RG10; Piece: 4442; Folio: 66; Page: 33;

Louisa Maud

At the moment I cannot access ONS, the site is down

[ColC]

i WONDER IF THIS IS hANNAH IN 1861,

1861   Nottinghamshire    Sutton-in-Ashfield, Townrow's Lane

SHOOTER FAMILY
James   Head   M   31   Coal Miner Cottager 5 Acres   DBY   Pinxton
Emma   Wife   M   31   Seamer Of Cotton Hosiery   NTT   Sutton In Ashfield
Hannah Maria Dau   8   Scholar   NTT   Sutton In Ashfield
Sarah Ann   Dau   -   5   Scholar   DBY   Pinxton
Walter   Son   -   3   -   NTT   Sutton In Ashfield
Alfred   Son   -   1   -   NTT   Sutton In Ashfield

Colin

[Newfloridian]

Hi Louisa Maud

That Hannah Shooter was born in Yorkshire (OND 1853) to MMN Ellis

Alan

[medpat]

I can only find 4 children is it possible there was a stillbirth and he's counted that.

Can't see a death for Edna.

Interesting

no mmn

SHOOTER, LAURA       - 
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 213

SHOOTER, JOHN  WILLIAM     - 
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in BASFORD  Volume 07B  Page 119
 

[Newfloridian]

There is a suggestion (?likelihood) that Edna married Edward Foster in Nottingham in 1909 and then emigrated to Canada (3 Ancestry trees - but no confirmatory documentation about her parentage)

There is also a likelihood that Louisa married Joseph Hallam in the Basford district in 1912. There is a couple of the right ages in the 1939 Register (no children with them). There are four Hallam births in the Mansfield district between 1912 and 1917 with MMN Tilley.

Nothing to answer my original confusion though

Alan

[Newfloridian]

Hi Medpat

An illegitimate son called John William would certainly be interesting. No immediate death (one of that name in Chesterfield in 1881)

Cheers Alan

[medpat]

Is this a possibility - won't be the first to alter age by a few years and may have been born towards Mansfield then moved to Hucknall as a child. Remember Mansfield registry covered a large area as there's few towns but many villages in Nottinghamshire.

SHOOTER, HANNAH       MACHEN 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in OF MANSFIELD  Volume 15  Page 479
 

[Newfloridian]

Not much positive help:

Laura Shooter (4) living with grandparents Joseph and Louisa Boot in Bulwell in 1871

Alan