Burroughs side of family

[Gerry Burroughs]

My mother always called my father Bill. But the Census has him name as Charles William and maybe Higgins added in. !!!!

[crisane]

This is the Portsmouth WW1 Museum. https://ww1remembrancecentre.uk/
You could use the contact email given to ask about the Burroughs mentioned on the memorial.

I am using ancestry and FreeBMD and as I said earlier the birth date of Charles William and the marriage of Edward and Sarah  do not match the info re Sarah's maiden name of Magney or the Charles/William's birth mother's maiden name of Hammond BUT we can now discount this as this baby died in 1902 and his parents were Harriet nee Hammond and Robert Burroughs.
Which leaves us without a birth reg for your Dad.

[crisane]

This Edward married Sarah Louise J Higgins 1908 Portsmouth

Jennifer

Just a note that Edward John is entered twice on this marriage record firstly as Edward John and the as John.
This family isn't making it easy.
Also on the 1911 census the entry for children of a marriage were only to be for chidren of the present marriage. A lot got it wrong and wrote down all of their children from previous and present marriage(s). This could be very helpful but also confusing as in this case. Was Charles William Sarah's son to Edward John born a good few years before the marriage or was he the son of Edward and a previous wife/partner or the son of Sarah to someone else?

[Gerry Burroughs]

Hi Crisane the 1911 census gives my dad's age as 11. It doesn't list any other children as far as I know, My father went on to be a Major in the RAMC and was OC Musgrave Military Hospital in WW2 . He met my mum here in Belfast she was a Kerry women.  For whatever reason my dad never appeared to mention his parents and it was only through my mum I obtained scant information about them which I used years ago on the ancestry website to find what I believed to be them on a 1911 census and that as far as I got!!

[crisane]

Hi Crisane the 1911 census gives my dad's age as 11. It doesn't list any other children as far as I know,

Your father is age 9 on the 1911 census so born c1902. There are no other children listed and I can't see any other births.
Edward John died in 1912 so I have been looking for a possible remarriage for Sarah Louisa, who, just to complicate things a little more, married with the names Sarah Louisa Jane.

[Dundee]

TROWERN, SARAH  LOUISA JANE HIGGINS
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND  Volume 02B  Page 508
No mother's maiden surname recorded so probably illegitimate.    

She is with her grandparents in 1891, the surname is actually TROWERN.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:43F8-8T2

William and Jane TROWERN had several daughters but I think Sarah's mother was their daughter Caroline.  These names appear on the same page of the marriage register:

Marriages Dec 1886

HIGGINS, Arthur John       
TROWERN,    Caroline Mary S
Portsea    2b   812    

Arthur and Caroline are still alive and together in 1911.

A possible birth for your father:

TROWERN, CHARLES  WILLIAM
GRO Reference: 1902  S Quarter in PORTSMOUTH  Volume 02B  Page 495
No mother's maiden surname recorded so probably illegitimate.

You would need to see the birth certificates to confirm any of this.  Do you know your father's date of birth?

Debra 

[Annette7]

I think I've located Sarah after husband Edward John Burroughs death in 1912.  But she seems to use a variety of names!!

I first checked deaths in Portsmouth (assuming she'd stayed there) for any Sarah L. J. bc.1885 and there was only one - Sarah L. J. Povall bc.1885 died June qtr. 1965 Portsmouth.

Checked Povall bc.1885 on 1939 Register index for Portsmouth and just a Jean Povall.

Then went back to marriages and a William Povall married a Louise J. Burroughs June quarter 1920 Portsmouth which surely must be her.

So, Charles William Burroughs bc.1902 Portsmouth would seem to be the son of Edward John Burroughs and wife Sarah who did not marry until Mar.qtr.1908 (marriage possibly late 1907).

At the moment figuring out her exact names/surname somewhat of a poser.

As previously mentioned, the 1908 marriage shows him listed as Edward John Burroughs and John Burroughs.  He is shown born circa 1881 Shoreham, Sussex but can find no birth entry for him although have found him on 1901 census with family:

1901 - Portsmouth, Hampshire

Robert Burroughs    40    Flower Hawker    born Bury, Suffolk (i.e. Bury St Edmunds)
Harriett Burroughs   38                             born Corn Wallin (?), Devon
John Burroughs 19                                   born Shoreham, Sussex
Walter Burroughs 12                                 born Portsmouth, Hampshire
William George Burroughs 10                           ditto
Robert Burroughs 8                                          ditto
Thomas Burroughs  2                                       ditto
Charles Burroughs 8 mos.                                 ditto

As I said above, can't find John's (or Edward John) Burroughs actual birth entry but his younger siblings birth entries all show their mmn was Hammond.   Unfortunately, Robert Burroughs and Harriet Hammond took their time getting married, not doing so until Sept.qtr.1897 Portsmouth!

Robert Burroughs birth entry Mar.1861 Bury St. Edmunds mmn Moss.

1861 Bury St. Edmunds - transcribed on Ancestry as Burrough:

John F. Burroughs    29       Labourer
Harriet     "             28
George     "              8
Emma      "              6
Charlotte  "              4
Charles P. "              2
Robert      "            2 mos.         - all shown born Bury

John married as John Burrows to Harriet Moss Sept.qtr.1850 Bury St. Edmunds - Harriet died 1870 and John remarried to a Mary Ann Betts as John Freeborn Burroughs in Mar.qtr.1881 B.S.E.

John Freeborn Burroughs was born 17/11/1831, bp.23/4/1832 St. Mary, Bury St. Edmunds, illegitimate son of Frances Burroughs.

Annette 

PS - I see Dundee has found Sarah before her marriage and I've found her after!                         

[Gerry Burroughs]

Thank you everyone I am stunned at this information and at 74 I need a little time to digest all this.
One thing I have always wondered about was my own name which is Gerald William Trowern Burroughs and I am nearly sure my father had a Higgins in his name. I will check this out on his death cert when I get home from work today (still working full time at 74).
I have never heard of the name Trowern before and my own children often asked me how I have this name on my birth certificate and until now I haven't been able to answer this question, so many thanks for that. Did my grandmother have other children after she remarried? I have always wondered have I more connections out there I am unaware of!!! Thank you all once again for the great work and time you have put in to finding all this information for me. I am most grateful. Gerry

[Annette7]

Trowern was a new name to me too.   Working backwards is bit of a nightmare as all sorts of different spellings such as: Trenen, Trourn, Truem, Trouern, Trewern to name but a few!

Sarah's mother Caroline Mary S. Trowern was the daughter of William Trowern and Jane Ley who married Topsham, Devon 29/6/1851 - William was a Ropemaker, son of John, Ropemaker.

Williams birthplace on census varies between Cornwall and Devon.  However, although I can't find his baptism there the 1841 census shows he was born in Cornwall.

1841 Census - Phillack, Cornwall

John Trouern    55     Rope M. J. (Rope Maker Journeyman) - Y    born in County
Peter Trouern   15     Shoe m.                                              Not born in County
Elizabeth Trouern 15                                                           Not born in County
William Trouern  12                                                             Born in County

(ages were rounded down on 1841 census hence 2 15 year olds.

John Trowern married Honor Thomas 9/3/1806 Antony, Cornwall but can find no baptisms of any children born to them between 1806 and 1817 and then there is:

Charlotte bc.1818 Devonport (per a tree on Ancestry)
Caroline b.29/12/1820, bp.5/2/1820, bp.5/2/1821 Morrice St. Westleyan, Devonport, Devon
Peter Thomas b.14/11/1822, bp.3/12/1823                        ditto
Elizabeth b.1/2/1825, bp.6/6/1825                                    ditto
William bc.1828-1829 Cornwall

John Trorvern (yes, another version) was buried at Phillack, Cornwall on 1/8/1846, his wife Honor on 29/9/1865 Phillack aged 80 (she is not with family in 1841 and can't find her on any census before she died.)

Since John was a Journeyman the family clearly moved around but no idea where they were between 1806 and 1817 as I'm sure there must have been children born in this time frame.

Annette