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Swedish and Danish lastnames
« on: Tuesday 23 July 19 07:04 BST (UK) »
Hi, 

I  hope someone here may be able to help with this last name.

person:
Karin Neilssen  (1) ....in Ships passenger list from Hamburg 1871  arrival port Hobart town, Tasmania. [Now part of Australia] eventually being in Rockhampton, Queensland, where she married, as below.

On this listing she is noted as Frau  which I think means Mrs. in English. 
   
(2) also  My grandfather's Birth Certificate  from Queensland Australia  1881. Mother Kate  no mmn.
               His sister   1883  her Certificate has Kate Neilssen as mmn
               His brother  1885  his cert has  Karin Nelson

(3)  The marriage Cert. for Karin and her husband Carl  1879  has Karin Neilssen as her last name. 

(4)   Also on this particular Cert both sets of their parents are given .

Karin Neilssen's  are Nils Larssen [father]  and Christina Jensen  [mother].

I have tried to find a birth cert for Karin  as either Neilssen or Larssen but I am stumped by what I cannot read.

(6)   My elderly Aunt has given me this information:  Karin Neilssen came from Jenarp, Sweden.  She apparently immigrated via Denmark and Germany.


The person she married in 1879  was Carl August Schmidt . He was from Copenhagen, Denmark.  He  immigrated in 1877 to Brisbane, eventually getting to Rockhampton, Queensland where he met and married Karin.

What I would like to understand is how she is Neilssen when neither of her parents are and how to interpret the Swedish documents.


 Many thanks for any help here,

Essnell

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Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 08:19 BST (UK) »
Neilssen == daughter of Niels/ Nils.

Would explain a lot
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Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 08:20 BST (UK) »
Hello Essnell

It looks as if Karin was using a patronym, that is she is Using her fatherís forename as the basis of her surname.

Familysearch.org has many useful wikis - here is one that may be helpful
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scandinavia_Names?cid=bl-fsb-8280

In my experience you have to be very flexible with Scandinavian names. Karin could also be known as Nilsdatter/dotter. Or if her father had a byname (to distinguish him from the other Nils Larssons in the same village, or semi inherited from his father) then that may sometimes have been added to her name, but not always. If she married, she might sometimes be listed with her husbandís surname, sometimes with her own patronym ( or her husbandís or fatherís byname). I found a family who had emigrated to the US had adopted the name of the hamlet the husband was born in. Surnames were fluid for some time after legislation requiring the adoption of surnames in the modern sense.

As the 19th century progressed, surnames became more stable, and those who emigrated to an English speaking country mostly settled on one surname on or after arrival. This would not necessarily be the same surname as other siblings.

On the bright side, images of Danish parish records are free online and census records going back to the late 18th century are increasingly available and indexed.


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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 08:28 BST (UK) »
Here is a link to a wiki re Swedish research - go up a level and you will find links for the other Scandinavian countries
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Genealogy

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 08:49 BST (UK) »

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 08:51 BST (UK) »
Same situation in Shetland into the 18th century.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 July 19 13:15 BST (UK) »
Hi
When was Karin born?
I assume you have found Carl August in Denmark.

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 July 19 09:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone and thankyou for all the responses. 

Re the duplicate post  I tried posting a day or so earlier but could not find it in the list of "started by" so assumed it never was posted.

Now as far as I am aware Karin was born in 1857 in Jenarp or Jonarp Sweden.

Carl August Schmidt born in Copenhagen Denmark. I have not found his birth information.  I have spent quite some time on him and it was all the wrong family.   The one I found was way too young and the marriage in 1879 did not gel ..


I do have this ... His immigration details.
passenger no:   331 
Surname:   Schmidt   
Given Name:  Carl August
Town: Glostrup
State: Danemark
Standing: Arbeiter
Sex : M
Age: 22
Destination: Rockhampton
Ship Name: Charles Dickens
Year : 1878.


I think that the ship left in 1877 and arrived in Australia early 1878.

The above is off the passenger list on FindMyPast.

From the above information he would have been born in  1856. 

On the marriage certificate for Karin and Carl their ages are 23 for Carl and 22 for Karin.

Their first son Edmund was born in  1881  and their ages are Carl 25yrs and Karin24yrs.... [they have one deceased male child] all on Edmund's Birth Cert which I have just purchased.
 
Their marriage was in the town of Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.1879.

I think I have given all relevant information that is off records here.

thanks for any help.  i shall look into thse links provided.

regards

Essnell
 


 

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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 July 19 09:47 BST (UK) »
Hi
I found a Karin Nilsson and a Carl August Schmidt on the same Charles Dickens ship sailing from Hamburg on 6th Nov 1878 to Queensland. It looks as though they met on the boat over.

Karin Nilsson age 21 - page 227 - nr 317
Carl August Schmidt age 22 - page 229 - nr 402

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3a/


Ian