John Henry McMurray

[TonyMcGartland]

I am trying to find family by the name of McMurray who were born/moved between Belfast area and Co. Down (Crossbar/Downpatrick). The family have little knowledge and this is all they have.
John Henry McMurray (known as Jack) was a director with McVickers on Woodvale Road (Who are McVicars??). He had daughters Netta and Lily, sons Sam and Moses. Moses was a naval architect and helped design HMS Leander and HMS Fearless.His son Sam married Mary Agnes Faloon.

The only birth I can find is Moses - born 1912 - mother Susan Kane.

Everything else is a mystery!
Can anyone help? please .........

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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01504/1611087.pdf

Have you ruled out ?

Name   FRANCIS MURRAY
Date of Birth   06 September 1910
Group Registration ID   269389
SR District/Reg Area   Belfast
Sex   Male
Mother's Birth Surname   KANE

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01563/1630900.pdf

[hallmark]

A  search like this might find them on

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/advanced-civil.jsp

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apologies....got mother's name wrong on  FRANCIS MURRAY one!   

Haven't looked at any others.

[aghadowey]

It should be incredibly easy to find details of this family so I suspect you haven't really looked for them in the places you should.

Belfast area and Co. Down (Crossbar/Downpatrick)

Crossgar

John Henry McVicar & wife Susan with her family- John is a shipyard joiner and there's an infant son John Henry-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Wood_Vale_Ward/Dover_Street/163897/
Marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10015/5642516.pdf

The birth for Francis Thomas McMurray posted earlier has mother as Annie Kane not Susan Kane.

[TonyMcGartland]

It should be incredibly easy to find details of this family so I suspect you haven't really looked for them in the places you should.

With respect, I've been looking for several days now and did find the links that you provided. However,  I was NOT certain.......

[aghadowey]

With respect, I've been looking for several days now and did find the links that you provided. However,  I was NOT certain.......

We have no way of knowing that you've already found everything we've posted when you've only said "The only birth I can find is Moses - born 1912 - mother Susan Kane" ? If you post links to what you have found we won't waste time searching for all of it only to be told you've already found it.

Since the parents married in 1909, have 1 child in 1911, and Moses is born 1912 it's likely that 'Sam', 'Netta' and 'Lily' were younger. Have you searched for them in both Irish Genealogy civil records and GRONI's database? Remember that both sites should only 1st Christian name. Sam could be Samuel, Lily might be Elizabeth or Lillian and Netta could be Nettie or Annette or Janetta or a completely different name.

Son John Henry born 1910-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01574/1634470.pdf

Using GRONI first then Irish Genealogy- it looks like Lily is Elizabeth-
Elizabeth McMurray 1st October 1913 mother- Kinghan
Sam is Samuel-
Samuel McMurray 10th December 1915 mother- Keenan
Netta?
Evelyn McMurray 6th June 1918 mother- Kinghan

Elizabeth- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01433/1587739.pdf
Samuel-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01354/1558702.pdf
Evelyn Susan McMurray- https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01274/1528390a.pdf

[aghadowey]

Young Moses?
Belfast Telegraph, 5 Jan.1970: Obituary MR. MOSES McMURRAY, who has died, was Warship production …

Belfast Telegraph, 18 Mar.1970: … wife of the late Moses McMurray, Brunswick Road, Bangor. Service at 2-30 p.m. to-morrow (Thursday) in J. Gray Company's Funeral Parlour, Holborn Avenue …

Possibly his grandfather Moses McMurray-
Probate of the Will of Moses McMurray late of Ballykine Upper County Down Farmer who died 11 July 1912 granted at Belfast to John McMurray Joiner and Matthew Crail Weighmaster.

[aghadowey]

Belfast Telegraph, 1 June 1965: McMURRAY—May 31. 1965. at her residence, 33a Woodvale Road, SUSAN, beloved wife of John Henry McMurray. Funeral to-morrow (Wednesday) at 11 to Dundonald Cemetery. House private Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Husband and ...

Which leads to this plot which shows John Henry McMurray died 1971-
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=C4&GraveNumber=606&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery
Also shows that son John Henry died in 1921- his death registration-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05106/4403313.pdf

As I said earlier, very easy to find details online.