Identifying the right WILLIAM THURSTON

[jonw65]

Is there anything to the William Thurston - Lydia Gatward marriage in Essex in 1846?
It's transcribed on FreeReg
25 December 1846
William Thurston, 20, Shopkeeper, residence Sible Hedingham, father James Thurston, Gentleman
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Lydia Gatward (they say Gatuard), 24, residence Thaxted, father Henry

Remembering that James Thurston was buried at Sible Hedingham in 1847. Abode Swan Street
BT here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSLX-G36?i=1961&cat=495024

Birth registrations of Charles Gatward Thurston, Dec 1847, Halstead
and Henry James Thurston, June 1851, Halstead

In 1851 Lydia Thurston, 28, and son Charles, 3. are in Swan Street(!), Sible Hedingham
Piece 1784 folio 437 page 23
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVF-PKP

It's interesting that Lydia appears to be in South London in 1861 and 1871, married, but no husband with her.
1861 in Camberwell
Piece 385 folio 41 page 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MG-N91C

1871 in Peckham
Piece 734 folio 98 page 63
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRNM-YSL

The daughter with her, a possible birth
Dec 1856 Camberwell 1d 409
Thurston, Alice Emma
mother Gatword

If William Williams/Thurston is the chap who married Lydia, it could explain the lack of a marriage to Fanny Frogley, and perhaps even the name change.

[jonw65]

James Thurston was buried at Sible Hedingham in 1847. Abode Swan Street

In the Essex Standard, 5 Nov 1847 (also the Chelmsford Chronicle)
Deaths
Oct. 27, at Sible Hedingham, Mr. Thurston, a retired excise officer, aged 65.

And in the same papers in Dec 1880, Phoebe's death, here is the Chronicle of the 10th
Deaths
THURSTON. —Nov. 29th, at. Potter-street, Harlow, Phoebe, widow of the late Mr. James Thurston, of Sible Hedingham, Essex, in her 95th year.

[jonw65]

Could there be any way that Henry James Thurston born Halstead district 1851 (presumably in Sible Hedingham) to William and Lydia is the James with William and Fanny/Frances (then Williams) in 1861?
1901 census said he was born Essex!
Possible death?
Deaths Sep 1906 Lambeth 1d 213
Thurston, James Henry   
age 55   

And was Lydia's daughter born 1856 really fathered by William Thurston?

[MaureeninNY]

I don't know.

That family looks a little "upscale"

Tony's William is a horse keeper and carman.

Maureen

[jonw65]

Maureen, that is exactly what I thought.
And your brilliant Williams find made we wonder if William really was originally called Thurston. We see him as that later...
But, if we accept that if William, son of James Thurston the excise man, married Lydia Gatward, then what happened to him? Why is he not with her?
John

[jonw65]

But, if we accept that if William, son of James Thurston the excise man, married Lydia Gatward, then what happened to him?

Although, yes, if we find out, it may completely eliminate him!

[MaureeninNY]

 

Gosh,John, sounds like we're doing a "mob hit" here.

If anyone can find out something else it will be you.

Maureen

[softly softly]

Good work Jonw65. Why I did not think he was already married is sad, as recently within the last few weeks exactly the same happened for me with my ggrandmother. I have listed a timeline below of children to get my head around this.

25.12.1846 A William Thurston marries Lydia Gatwood  dec q Dunmow
1847 Charles Gatward Thurston born dec q mmn Gatward
1851 Henry James Thurston  born  june q 1851 Halsted mmn Gatward
1856 Alice Emma Thurston born dec q Camberwell mmn Gatward
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1857 George William FROGLEY born mar q Camberwell  mmn **** as per 1861/71 census
1859 Walter (Williams) Thurston born June q Ashton under Lyne mmn YATES
1861 Emily Sarah (Williams) Thurston born dec q Chaple le Frith mmn HARVEY died 1861 Ashton
1863 Alfred (Williams) Thurston born mar q Stockport  mmn Frogley
1865 William (Williams) Thurston born June q  mmn Frogley
1868 Arthur Thurston born mar q Lambeth mmn Frogley
1871 Albert Arba Thurston born jun q mmn Frogley
1873 Francis Arba Thurston born mar q mmn Frogley

The rest is history re census and death dates BUT the question still remains is this the same William Thurston/Williams--my mind is made up.

John

[softly softly]

Sorry about this but had to smile, George William Thurston appears to have married Emily Jane Gude 28.8.1880 father William Thurston, describing both his and fathers occupations as TRAVELLERS.

John