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1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« on: Friday 26 July 19 19:52 BST (UK) »
John (known as Jack) Bateman (1856-1955) is my great grandfather by his second wife Mary Ann, nee Park.
I have no details concerning his first wife, but he would be ca 25 in 1881, so might possibly be married to her at that time. If so, the 1881 census for John Bateman (blacksmith at Patton Bridge, Grayrigg) would be very helpful.
Does anyone have access to that census, please?

I would be very grateful for any pointers
with many thanks
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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #1 on: Friday 26 July 19 20:23 BST (UK) »
I can find him in 1871 in Patton Bridge with parents William and Eleanor and after that he just disappears.

There is a marriage in Kendal RD in 1882 for a John Bateman to a Jane Rawes which may or may not be him.

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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #2 on: Friday 26 July 19 20:34 BST (UK) »
Emeltom:
thank you so much for the prompt reply.
It all helps to build up the picture  :)
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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 July 19 20:56 BST (UK) »
There is this record 1881 address 16,Fell Side Firbank Westmorland
Eleanor Bateman at 45 born Westmorland widow farmer of 28 acres
John Bateman age 25 born Patton Westmorland unmarried farmers son
James Bateman age 13 born Patton Westmorland
Ellen Bateman age 6 born Patton Westmorland

Probate for his father William Patton ( blacksmith ) died 8 January 1875 Patton Bridge

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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 July 19 21:05 BST (UK) »


There is a marriage in Kendal RD in 1882 for a John Bateman to a Jane Rawes which may or may not be him.

Emeltom

There is a possible death for a Jane Bateman age 23 Kendal Westmorland

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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 July 19 21:21 BST (UK) »
Rosie17:
thank you indeed (for two prompt replies)
There's quite a lot there that matches the bits and pieces of information that I think I know (various corroboration is needed). The matches are:
    John B would be 25.
    His mother was Eleanor - who would be 45, and a widow.
    His father was William - who died 1875.
    The children would be born at Patton (Bridge).

    Similarly, death of a Jane B in Kendal at 23 is a strong pointer.

    I am a new-starter in genealogy (my current info is from a tree made 20+ years ago by a distant cousin). May I ask the source for the information, please?

    with thanks again :)
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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 July 19 05:31 BST (UK) »
Hi nametabpoppy , I got the information from Ancestry ..As a new starter to genealogy it is always best to check as much information yourself and  then confirm the information from your cousins tree ...You can search www.familysearch.org which is a free site  if you put in John Bateman born 1856 Westmorland there are several records there ..Including the 1881 census
Hope this helps good luck with your research and if you need anymore help just let us know

Rosie  :)

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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 27 July 19 08:37 BST (UK) »
Rosie17
thank you again for your courtesy and support
On with the search :)
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Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 January 20 20:11 GMT (UK) »
Following the previous posts from various helpful contributors, part of which concerned a putatative Jane Rawes, who may or may not have been the first wife of my 2xgrandfather John Bateman, I have been able to confirm that Jane Rawes was indeed the very person.

The breakthrough turned out to be two specific details from a proper copy of their marriage certificate (19-04-1882). Jane Rawe's father is given as William Rowlandson, and one of the witnesses was an Agnes Brownrigg.

Further digging and cross-correlation revealed that Jane's mother (Agnes Rawes) was single when Jane was born in 1860 at Dobsole (Dob's Hole) Lambrigg, but married William Rowlandson very shortly after (perhaps within weeks). In subsequent records (eg 1861 and 1871 censuses), Jane is then listed as Jane Rowlandson. So, no wonder it was difficult to find her in the years between her birth and marriage.

As to Agnes Brownrigg, she turned out to be Jane's first cousin - the daughter of Isaac & Isabella (nee Rowlandson) Brownrigg. Isabella being the sister of William Rowlandson. At the time of Jane's wedding she and Agnes Brownrigg were living on adjacent farms (Whin How & Deep Slack, Whinfell) - both run by the Rowlandson family.

Many thanks again to those who first provided hints and possibilities for a Jane Rawes. Without those kind contributions, I wouldn't have had a starting point, other than family memory that John Bateman was indeed twice married. Poor Jane died at 23, a year or so after her marriage.

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