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Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« on: Thursday 01 August 19 12:22 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

My Great-Great Grandmother was Selina Taylor. She married Henry Matthews, was widowed, and remarried my Great-Great Grandfather Evan Williams in Middlesbrough in 1871.

Both the Williams and Taylor families originated from Dowlais / Merthyr.

However, unlike her siblings who were born in Wales, Selina is consistently shown as being born in France.

Her father John Taylor was an Iron Puddler. Her mother was called Jane.

I've been advised my another member on here, that it was common for Ironworkers from the Valleys to be found in France during the 1800s as their expertise was in demand.

The problem I have is finding a birth record for Selina. All census records for her from 1851-1901 show her place of birth France and that she is a British Subject, but the 1851 census, where she is listed as Celina Taylor also states Rasville as her place of birth and 1891 shows Hasville in South of France. I can't find either of these places or Ironworks with these names.

She was born circa 1842.

Any advice appreciated, thanks!

From South Wales: Williams / Taylor / Davies / Harries / Rosser

From Scotland: Hay / Finlay / Ferguson / Campbell / Reid and many others

From Devon: Rugg / Rugge / Quantick / Leaman and many others

From Yorkshire: Rudd /Grange / Grainge / Dobson / Hewison / Robson / Swales / Swailes and many others

From London and Kent: Brown

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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 August 19 13:30 BST (UK) »
The nearest I can find is Selina Taylor,daughter of John and Mary,Calais & St. Omer 1832.

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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 August 19 13:36 BST (UK) »
Thanks Roger. Close, but Selina's mother was always shown as Jane in the census.
From South Wales: Williams / Taylor / Davies / Harries / Rosser

From Scotland: Hay / Finlay / Ferguson / Campbell / Reid and many others

From Devon: Rugg / Rugge / Quantick / Leaman and many others

From Yorkshire: Rudd /Grange / Grainge / Dobson / Hewison / Robson / Swales / Swailes and many others

From London and Kent: Brown


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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 August 19 13:40 BST (UK) »
Is it not possible that Mary died prior to Selina's appearance in the censuses and John re-married?

Roger

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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 August 19 13:56 BST (UK) »
Where and when did John & Jane marry
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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 August 19 14:02 BST (UK) »
Selina/Celina Taylor was only 9 in the 1851 census, 19 in 1861, 29 in 1871 etc so she can't be the one born in Calais in 1832.
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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 August 19 14:40 BST (UK) »
Hi rosie99,

John Taylor married Jane Harries in Aberystruth on 7th December 1822.
From South Wales: Williams / Taylor / Davies / Harries / Rosser

From Scotland: Hay / Finlay / Ferguson / Campbell / Reid and many others

From Devon: Rugg / Rugge / Quantick / Leaman and many others

From Yorkshire: Rudd /Grange / Grainge / Dobson / Hewison / Robson / Swales / Swailes and many others

From London and Kent: Brown

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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 August 19 14:40 BST (UK) »
Shaun J,

Yes you're right on that one!
From South Wales: Williams / Taylor / Davies / Harries / Rosser

From Scotland: Hay / Finlay / Ferguson / Campbell / Reid and many others

From Devon: Rugg / Rugge / Quantick / Leaman and many others

From Yorkshire: Rudd /Grange / Grainge / Dobson / Hewison / Robson / Swales / Swailes and many others

From London and Kent: Brown

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Re: Selina Taylor Dowlais / Merthyr Ironworker's child born in France
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 August 19 14:42 BST (UK) »
TAYLOR, WILLIAM, Mothers mn     HARRIS*** 
GRO Reference: 1838  M Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 26  Page 15
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