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Offline Deb Clark Rennie

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Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« on: Thursday 01 August 19 14:48 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Iím helping my brother in law with his family tree.  Iím working on the Williss branch in his tree his ancestor being John Williss.  The only census he appears on is 1841 along with his wife Elizabeth.  Heís listed as a publican and farmer and the address says near the churches.  I also find him on the poll book and electoral registers under Rugeley it says house and occupier Talbot Inn and Farm. Iím fairly sure I have his death as 1849 and his wife Elizabeth is a widow on the 1851 census and she is listed as Innkeeper/farmer 92 acres.  Later on I find her son John as innkeeper and when he dies his widow Eliza as Innkeeper of the Mosley Inn.

What Iím trying to find out is there two Talbot Innís.  One seems to remain today but there is also seems to be another one that was the scene of a murder by the Rugeley poisoner but that one had a name change to the Shrew.  Iím just trying to work out which one John Williss senior might have been Innkeeper of in the 1840ís.  As most of the baptism and marriage records are only transcripts they donít help much.

Any help would be appreciated.
Blessings
Deb

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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 01 August 19 15:18 BST (UK) »
Sorry I cant help with that but on John/Elizabeths 1st childs Bapt, HARRIET 16 May 1824, John is a Gardener and their abode is Hagley.
Same for JOHN 19 Dec 1825
By JANE 06 Aug 1828 he is a Innkeeper (Jane buried 01 Apr 1829 age 8 mths)
FRANCIS 25 Jul 1830, Innkeeper (buried 09 May 1832 age 1 and a half)
FRANCIS 17 Oct 1838, Publican (buried 23 Jan 1839 age 4 mths)

JOHN was buried 18 Apr 1849 age 57 and Daug Harriet 11 Sep 1848 age 24
+ Elizabeth 28 Nov 1855 age 56

Gosh how sad that John 1825 was the only one to survive and marry.

Trish :)
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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 01 August 19 15:39 BST (UK) »
JOHN Willis Bapt 15 Jan 1792, St Peter, Abbots Morton, Worcestershire to JOHN/MARY
Siblings;
EDWARD 12 May 1794
AMELIA 18 Jul 1803
DINAH 07 Dec 1806


John WILLIS married Mary SHEPEARD 26 Oct 1791 same Church

2 possible Burials for JOHN;
09 Nov 1810 Yeoman
31 Aug 1823 age 58 (1765)

MARY likely buried 14 Jul 1846 age 75 (1771)


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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 01 August 19 15:41 BST (UK) »
Hi, I lived in Rugeley for several years and I believe the Shrewsbury Arms was once called the Talbot. It was once a coaching inn. Palmer the poisoner did commit murder there. St. Augustines Church is a walk away. The other Talbot is/was in Brereton just out of Rugeley on the way to Lichfield, from memory I think there was also a church nearby.

The above probably doesn't help you though. The Shrew is in the centre of town now and the Talbot a bit further out.

Added: The church in Brereton is called St. Michaels. On Main Road the same road as the Talbot.

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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 01 August 19 15:58 BST (UK) »
Sorry I cant help with that but on John/Elizabeths 1st childs Bapt, HARRIET 16 May 1824, John is a Gardener and their abode is Hagley.
Same for JOHN 19 Dec 1825
By JANE 06 Aug 1828 he is a Innkeeper (Jane buried 01 Apr 1829 age 8 mths)
FRANCIS 25 Jul 1830, Innkeeper (buried 09 May 1832 age 1 and a half)
FRANCIS 17 Oct 1838, Publican (buried 23 Jan 1839 age 4 mths)

JOHN was buried 18 Apr 1849 age 57 and Daug Harriet 11 Sep 1848 age 24
+ Elizabeth 28 Nov 1855 age 56

Gosh how sad that John 1825 was the only one to survive and marry.

Trish :)

Gosh thanks for that ... I had found Harriet but not the others that is sad that only John survived ... lucky for my brother in law or he wouldnít be here!

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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 01 August 19 16:03 BST (UK) »
Hi, I lived in Rugeley for several years and I believe the Shrewsbury Arms was once called the Talbot. It was once a coaching inn. Palmer the poisoner did commit murder there. St. Augustines Church is a walk away. The other Talbot is/was in Brereton just out of Rugeley on the way to Lichfield, from memory I think there was also a church nearby.

The above probably doesn't help you though. The Shrew is in the centre of town now and the Talbot a bit further out.

Added: The church in Brereton is called St. Michaels. On Main Road the same road as the Talbot.

That does help as it does show there was two called the Talbot and Iím thinking if there was a farm as well perhaps itís more likely the Williss family were out of town? On future census they are on Armitage road and Wolsey.

Funnily enough I was just reading about the poising and two of the surnames mention are Bamford and Cheshire.  John juniors mother was a Bamford and after her father died her mother remarried into the Cheshire family.

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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 01 August 19 16:15 BST (UK) »
Well I'm familiar with Wolseley Road because I used to live there  ;D further down that road going towards town is St. Augustines Church on the corner.

Armitage Road is interesting because it's nearer to Brereton. I'm wondering if it would that Talbot where the farm would be because it was a little further out.


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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 01 August 19 16:41 BST (UK) »
Well I'm familiar with Wolseley Road because I used to live there  ;D further down that road going towards town is St. Augustines Church on the corner.

Armitage Road is interesting because it's nearer to Brereton. I'm wondering if it would that Talbot where the farm would be because it was a little further out.

Well fancy that  :D from your description then itís looking more likely that the Talbot Inn mentioned in connection with John Williss is probably the one out of town.  I googled the Wolesley Inn and it seems there is also a Wolesley Tavern still there today.

Plus I check the address of the Talbot still there and this is the address - so Brereton one could be more than likely.

Talbot Inn

187 Main Road
Brereton
WS15 1EE

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Re: Talbot Inn Rugeley Staffordshire
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 01 August 19 16:44 BST (UK) »
I think so too.
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