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Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« on: Thursday 08 August 19 12:47 BST (UK) »
In the 1911 census my maternal grandfather Stanley Victor Murrill is shown at 21 Little Northampton Street, Clerkenwell with his "wife" Roseina Murrill, a feather curler, b. about 1889, married 3 years and with a child also Roseina born 1909 also at Clerkenwell. There are no Murrill marriages recorded that could refer.
By January 1912 he was legally married at Southwark  to my grandmother Ada Damary so we can safely deduce that there was no marriage previously (no death record for either Roseina). In fact both Roseinas seem to disappear completely.
I no longer subscribe to any of the pay sites so perhaps more and later information may have emerged.

Stanley, by the way, was a bit of a rogue so he would have had no compunction at describing Roseina as his wife when she wasn't.

The name Roseina is not all that common (there are spelling variants) and I did chase down most of the candidates a few years ago and had to eliminate them all, either by age or geography.
If either or both of the Roseinas survived under some other surname they have living descendants today. Can anyone throw fresh light on them?
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 08 August 19 12:53 BST (UK) »
Are you saying you have eliminated all of the Rosina/Rose Ena (etc) births registered in Holborn in 1908-9?  There are quite a few.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:03 BST (UK) »
I think I went through them all back when the 1911 census first came online. Some had known parentage, others had died in infancy. With others I could not find a mother and child Roseina. I welcome any help of course as I am now an inactive researcher at 85 years of age.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:15 BST (UK) »
Searching the 1901 for Roseina entries b 1888 +- 1yr throws up the following surnames born in the London/Middlesex area

Piper
Marshall
King
Hannibal
Lock
Rowe
Mills

However - Rosina is a much more common spelling than Roseina
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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:23 BST (UK) »
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By January 1912 he was legally married at Southwark  to my grandmother Ada Damary

It looks like he was associating with Ada by mid-1911

Leicester Daily Post, 29 August 1911
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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:26 BST (UK) »
There's this baptism on Ancestry:
Rosina  HOBBS -Birth 11 Feb 1909-Baptism 
11 Mar 1909 at St Paul Clerkenwell
Father:Stanley Victor HOBBS   Occ:carman  Mother:Rosina HOBBS

The address looks like 29 Lt Northampton St.

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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:29 BST (UK) »
Perhaps mum is Rosina Hobbs mmn Cross birth reg Jun qtr 1887 Holborn 1b 768.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:35 BST (UK) »
Birth reg Dec qtr 1911

Rosina Hobbs mmn Hobbs 1b 1045 (late entry x-ref back to Mar qtr 1909)
Stanley Charles Hobbs mmn Hobbs 1b 1045 (poss death Dec qtr 1912 Hackney aged 1)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Roseina Murrill b. Clerkenwell 1909
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 August 19 13:42 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage June qtr 1913   
Eastley  George   
Hobbs    Rosina   
Holborn    1b   1127


Rosina Eastley
Death Age   71
June qtr 1958
Islington RD
5c /900
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