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I have a copy of her Birth Certificate, GRO Number 9d 9 York
Born 23 August 1867, Silver Street Clifton,
Father Christopher Kemp, Occupation Gas Works Labourer
Mother Mary Jane Kemp formerly Pratt
Birth Registered 27 August 1867

Marriage/s
First husband
John Dobb Pool Married 1889, first quarter, York. GRO Number 9d 88 York.  Ordered this the 10 August 2019

Second husband
Johan Heinrich Stier born in Germany.  It appears he changed his name when he came to Canada to John Henry Stier.  No marriage has been found.
Death 09 Feb 1922, Ontario, Canada.  He is resting in section 19 Lot 880 along with Martha and her 3rd husband Hubertus.  He also has a Will which is probate.  Need to look into getting this.  There is an interesting story called Finding Joh Henry, Mary Bradford – Stories/Nostalgia. I have a copy of this.

Third husband
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/peel1924.htm
16439-24 Hubirtus John Louis McGUIRE, 71, widower, clergyman, Ontario, 503 Yonge St. in Toronto, s/o Blainey McGUIRE (b. Ireland) & Maria DUBOIS, married Martha STIER (Steer?), 55, widow, England, 257 Rusholme Rd, d/o Christopher KEMP (b. England) & Mary PRATT, witn: Ellen Marie CLAPP of 977 Bloor St. West in Toronto & Mary Jane STIER of 257 Rusholme Rd., 25 Aug 1924 at Brampton.

Death
Martha died on 14 may 1938 in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, she was 70 year old.  Her resting place is section 19, Lot 880, Prospect Cemetery. 1450 St Clair Avenue West, Toronto.  Also in this plot are Hubertus McGuire and John Henry Stier her second and third husbands.

I have her Will which is 16 pages long and a wealth of information.  Lots of name to find out about that she left Canadian Dollars to.

To this date I still have not found a marriage to Stier for her.  I am trying to prove if she was bigamist like her Father of Divorced John Dobb Pool. 

Martha was vice-president of the International General Assembly of Spiritualist.  In England she held an executive position the National Spiritualists Union.  I am keen to find out more about this.

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Candis
Wells of Yorkshire

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 August 19 14:50 BST (UK) »
1911 UK Census (free index) York, Yorkshire, England.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R5-N7D

Both children born England. GRO gives maiden name of mother as Groves. 
Marriage of 7 years  ???

Daughter Mary Jane married in Toronto, York, Ontario 5 April 1920
Charles Henry Apedaile

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27D7-B76

Must remarry later - according to border crossing (18/8/1950) on a visit to Lily Penninton in Sterling Illinois. Mary was Mary Jane Carpenter with a husband Edmund Kenneth Carpenter - 10 Bradley Avenue Toronto.

Attestation Papers for Edmund Kenneth Carpenter (22 pages)

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=1507-39

Edmund Kenneth Carpenter had been married 15 April 1915 to Edith Oliver Toronto - Edith passed away 25 August 1927 -

A few more details on Edith on FIND A GRAVE

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117662117


Edmund Kenneth Carpenter born 1889 England - aged 42 years -
Marriage Date 22 Aug 1931 - Marriage Place Toronto, York, Ontario, Canada
Father: Herbert Carpenter - Mother Elizabeth Carpenter
Spouse Mary Jane McGuire

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 August 19 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra

Thanks for that.

I have found no concrete evidence that she married a Stier or that they are her a
children.  I believe that he was married before. 

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 August 19 15:15 BST (UK) »
Canadian Passenger List 1914 - shows Lily Stier 18 years. Mary Jane Stier 16 years. John Hy Stier aged 53 years and probably Martha Stier aged 47 years (passenger list cuts off) also listed Harriet Stier aged 28.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-617S-7QP?i=16&cc=1823240

Looks like Harriet Steer was born Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire 1887 - 9c 368.
GRO gives mother as Staniland.

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 August 19 15:30 BST (UK) »
marriage of Lily -

Lely Stier born 1895 York England and aged 24 years
Marriage Date 30 Dec 1919 - Marriage Place York, Ontario, Canada
Father J H Stier Mother Mary Jane Grove Stier - Spouse Thos H Appleton

Lily Stier born 1896 England - aged 26 years
Marriage Date 14 Mar 1922 - Marriage Place York, Ontario.
Father John Henry Stier - Mother Mary Jane Groves Stier - Spouse Francis Pennington.

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 August 19 16:29 BST (UK) »
Mary Jane and Lily are apparently registered with MMN Groves (GRO).

There is a marriage on FreeBMD in York RD in 1879 with a John Henry Stier and a Mary Jane Groves on the same page.

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 August 19 16:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you.

The tangled web of mystery.  More for me to look into.

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 August 19 16:32 BST (UK) »
Death Cert for Edmund Kenneth Carpenter - Vancouver - 1 Feb 1965 - refers to his wife as Polly Carpenter. Informant was a friend.
(Hoping to locate death of Mary Jane Stier/Apedaile/Carpenter and any obituary)

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/995515ac-a569-4d37-a24f-30b34b726955

Both Edmund and Mrs Edmund Carpemter listed at 1069 Dufferin Street Toronto in 1940 - plus a sighting of Mary Jane Carpenter on that border crossing 1950 listed earlier.

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Re: Martha Kemp my 2nd Great Grand Aunt was Pastor of Britten Memorial Church
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Death of Mary Jane Stier aged 35 years  York    9d   28 - registered March 1897

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