Author Topic: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"  (Read 2550 times)

Offline fisherj

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 343
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« on: Thursday 15 August 19 23:34 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth SCABERRIAN was baptised 5 Nov 1691 in St Columb Major, father:  Thomas SCABERRIAN.

Can anyone shed light on the origin of the surname SCABERRIAN or SCABERIO in St Columb Major, Cornwall?  I wonder whether this sounds like an old Cornish name or whether it is even eastern european sounding!  Or whether anyone else has this surname in their family. 

There are several variations on the spelling - eg SCABERIO (the most frequently used version), SCOBERIO, SCABERYA, SCOBORYO, SCOBERRIAN, SKIBBERIOW, SCABEERIAN and these are found in St Columb Major and Minor. 

I've found quite a few entries in the Parish records of baptisms and deaths of children of a Thomas and Elizabeth SCABERIO between 1669 and 1678.  And a marriage of Thomas SCABERIO AND Elizabeth HOCKYN on 4 July 1668.  There's a death in 1723 for Thomas SCABERRIO and one for Elizabeth SCABERRIOW, widow, in 1727.

But Elizabeth SCABERRIAN 1691 is unlikely to be their child, I would have thought, unless very much an afterthought - and unlike all the other Thomas SCABERIO children's baptisms, the mother's name is not given.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

Offline hepburn

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,596
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 August 19 13:00 BST (UK) »
5 Nov. Elizabeth d. of Thomas Sca-

berrian .

This from http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o7s/
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,<br />james,<br /> nottingham,pollard,grice,<br />derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.<br /> new zealand,turton<br /> canada,carson.<br />australia,mitchell,scalley,<br />

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,247
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 August 19 15:45 BST (UK) »
There is a GRACE Scabberian Buried 02 May 1701 same Church, Daug of THOMAS
(no age given)
Possibly Bapt as Grace SKEBRIN* 24 Oct 1685 to Thomas/Elizabeth
+ Mary SCABEERIAN Bapt 29 Jul 1694, Father Thomas

If they married 1668 having last child in 1694 I dont see as a problem. It is very possible.
(26 years)

There are 25 years between myself and my oldest Sibling.

All above on FreeREG

Trish :)
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline fisherj

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 343
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 August 19 16:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the link Hepburn.

And thanks Trish for helping me with the maths. 

Any thoughts as to whether this is an old Cornish surname or whether it suggests an overseas origin? 

Many thanks for your help.
Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies


Online heywood

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 40,844
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 August 19 17:59 BST (UK) »
A bit of an explanation here perhaps?

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~kernow/history/names_s.htm
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 28,247
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 August 19 10:05 BST (UK) »
What is the earliest record you have found for the surname and variants disherj?

FreeREG has;
St Columb Major

William SKEBEREN Bapt 05 Apr 1554 Father Udie, Thomas Bapt same day.

Burial of Isbell SKEBEROON 13 Apr 1541, Wife of Lawrennc

There are so many possible variants of the surname it may go back further in Cornwall
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline fisherj

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 343
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 September 19 18:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you Heywood for that link of surname origins.

A good old Cornish name then!  "Skyberyow" is very much like the Welsh "Ysguboriau" meaning barns.

Lovely!
Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

Offline fisherj

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 343
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 September 19 19:04 BST (UK) »
Thanks for those versions of the name Trish.

The earliest I had was Thomas Scabarioe (no baptism date) who married in 1668 and was buried in 1724 after having at least 14 children with 11 different surname spellings.

It's not so easy finding previous generations because of all these variations! 

But maybe one wet cold winter's day I'll go through the St Columb major register and see if I can work out any family groups.

There's a Mary Scaberio who married in 1672 so she could well be Thomas's sibling.

Many thanks again.

Woodmancote:  Hobbs; Davison
Bisley:  Fisher
Eastcombe:  Winstone
Chalford:  Lambert
Newent:  Bowkett
Llangurig: Owen; Jones
Llangurig & Bedlinog: Rees
Llanonn: Williams
Charfield:  Fowler; Selman
Olveston:  Fisher
Batheaston: Fisher
Andover, Hurstbourne, Woodcutt, Shinfield: Farmer & Tanner
Alresford: Sprangle; Hack
Martletwy & Llangwig:  Davies

Offline Rena

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,800
  • Crown Copyright: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Origin of surname "SCABERRIAN"
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 September 19 19:09 BST (UK) »
My first thought on seeing the name was that I thought I'd heard something similar before - and the Irish "Skibereen" popped into my mind.

I was a trifle taken aback when I read the ancient version, which, when heard by a stranger could be mis-spelt. 

Is it possible that a few hundred years ago a chap sailed across to Cornwall from southern Ireland, met his heart's desire and stayed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skibbereen
Skibbereen (/ˌskɪbəˈriːn/; Irish: An Sciobairín) is a town in County Cork, Ireland. It is located in West Cork . 

Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke