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Brisbane mystery!
« on: Friday 16 August 19 11:09 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think there are actually a few mysteries...

First I have little Charles Owen MARTIN, son of Henry MARTIN and Mary HALE.  Charles was born at Goodna, Queensland 17 Jul 1877.  According to his death notice he died due to 'congestion of the brain' at the residence of Mrs Robinson, Lilley St, Brisbane.

I don't know who Mrs Robinson is.  Could of the family been staying with her if the child was ill and visiting a doctor in Brisbane from Goodna.  Maybe they had known Mrs Robinson previously.  Henry and Mary had arrived from England in 1864 and had lived in Brisbane until about 1874.

I can't find a Robinson and Lilley St mix on Trove except for the death notice.

Little Charles is buried at Toowong Cemetery Brisbane.  He is in a 9x9 plot with the RILATT/RYLATT family.  I also don't know who they are.  He is the 2/10 buried.  This is Portion 13, Section 33, Grave 12... So 13, 33, 12.  The Section immediately behind 33 is 38 and by coincidence in 13, 38, 12 is a Robinson family which makes me wonder if a mistake has occurred somewhere.  I think it is Dawson and Mary ROBINSON but I can't see them being at Lilley St on Trove.

The 1903 electoral roll has Henry and Mary MARTIN in Nobb's Rd Redbank Plains.  I can't seem to find a Nobb's Rd in modern times.  Henry is noted as a Warder, even though he would of been about 73.  Do you think he could of worked at Goodna Asylum?!

Interested in your thoughts.

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CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 August 19 11:19 BST (UK) »
Sometimes infants were popped in with any other burial just so they would not lie alone, in England, though I have no idea if that happenend in other countries.
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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 August 19 12:18 BST (UK) »
Sure happened in Australia too mowsehowse.

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FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 August 19 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The 1876 and 1884 Post Office Directories do not show a ROBINSON operating a Boarding House in Lilley Street, so maybe Mrs Robinson was a family friend.

Lilley Street runs into Wickham Terrace which is the street where many Specialist Medical Doctors have their practices today, it was most likely that same back in the 1870s.

The 1895 and 1900 Queensland State Electoral Rolls have a Henry MARTIN as residing at Goodna with no occupation registered.  It was highly probable that he was working at the Goodna Hospital.

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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 August 19 23:05 BST (UK) »
Gerry

Really appreciate you checking all that for me.

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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 August 19 00:25 BST (UK) »
This may be just a coincidence but between 1879-1883 there was a Rev. Christopher Gerrard Robinson in the Queensland Electoral Rolls for Wickham Terrace, North Brisbane.
He was vicar of All Saints Church, Brisbane.
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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 August 19 05:49 BST (UK) »
Henry and Mary had arrived from England in 1864 and had lived in Brisbane

Do you know the name of the ship they arrived on?

Just one of those Charles Owen is buried with arrived in 1864 as well so im checking if there might be some connection.

George Rylatt who died 1915 [and buried with Charles] arrived on the Queen of the colonies in Sept. 1864.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/177207339

FORGET THE ABOVE, I HAVE MADE A BIG ERROR, SORRY  :-[

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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 August 19 12:24 BST (UK) »
@ Giblet... why a big mistake?!?!... I haven’t found their arrival and it could be possible.  They married in London 17 Jul 1864 and their first child was born in Queensland Jan 1865.

Actually, is that enough time to get from England to Australia?!?!

@ Jackiemh... do you think that All Saints Church could be connected somehow with Brisbane Grammar School where George Rylatt worked?!?!

Bitzar.

EDIT:  they weren’t on The Queen of the Colonies 1864.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Brisbane mystery!
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 August 19 22:50 BST (UK) »
It is possible and I have had a quick look at the Brisbane Grammar School site but they don't really mention the history of the school.
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