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Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« on: Saturday 17 August 19 08:36 BST (UK) »
Hi all Iíve been going round in circles with this one so thought maybe someone else might see what Iím missing.

I was going over my DNA matches which I do from time to time and there was a new one which now makes 3 I have to a particular branch that I just canít quite join the dots.

So these matches are from a Henry and Harriet Newmeier nťe Stevens.  My ancestor was a Charles Stevens son of James and Elizabeth Stevens.  The Stevens family seem to have homes both in Horton Buckinghamshire and London.  James Stevens from Horton was a farmer and left a will which I have a transcription of and it seems some of his children fared better than others.  It seems the London based Stevens ran a soap and candle business and going by the marriages of Charles children he was at least employed there and is listed as a chandler.  He died in 1837 Whitechapel (I think)

When looking Iíve found a tree that says they have Harriet Stevens birth certificate and names her parents as James and Harriet Stevens nťe Scott.  She was born in Cable St Whitechapel 1871.  I then found the marriage between James and Harriet Scott and James father is listed as Thomas Stevens soap boiler.  So I feel this is where our family connection is but as yet canít place this particular Thomas Stevens. 

So just need some fresh eyes.  Itís possible Iíve missed a Thomas.  I have 4 sons from James senior, William, Charles Thomas and Henry.  And there a few Thomasí but none of them quite fit as father to James.

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hello Deb
Have you ruled out the Thomas Stevens living in Horton with son James ?
Although he listed as an ag. lab. he looks the likely father.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:35 BST (UK) »
I think I saw that one and did discount but will revisit.  Perhaps I need to re look at James senior see if he had any siblings although Iíve not had any luck looking there before as I havenít worked out who his parents might be.

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:42 BST (UK) »
Living with him in 1871 is a brother Henry 29 born Whitechapel & a step-brother Frederick Willson 18 born St. George's.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/


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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:45 BST (UK) »
Update:
there are 3 Henry Stevens born 1851/2 Whitechapel.
MMN: Milburn, Williams & Fielder.
Oops a decade out.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:46 BST (UK) »
In regards to the NEWMEIR/STEVENS couple - when they married 1891 she - Harriet -  didn't give her father's name as James STEVENS, Greengrocer:

MARRIAGE:
On 28th Sep 1891, at Parish of Christ Church, Spitalfields, Middlesex
Henry NEWMEIER 22, Bachelor, Skin Dresser, of Brushfield Street.
           Father Henry NEWMEIER, Skin dresser
Harriet STEVENS 20, Spinster, of Brushfield Street.
           Father Henry STEVENS, Carman
Witness: Albert John BULMER, Jane CONNOR

Interesting to see, therefore - that in the 74 Cable Street household of James STEVENS  Greengrocer, and wife Harriet (nee SCOTT) in 1871 - James' brother is in the house:

Henry STEVENS Carman 29, unm, b Whitechapel.

Also in the house is James' Step-Brother Frederick WILLSON 18, Shop Boy, b St George in the East

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 17 August 19 11:58 BST (UK) »
Living with him in 1871 is a brother Henry 29 born Whitechapel & a step-brother Frederick Willson 18 born St. George's.

I noticed that one too but still couldnít work out who their parents were ... hence the going around in circles.  Thereís also a step brother on that one which suggests perhaps their dad died and mother remarried?

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 August 19 12:00 BST (UK) »
In regards to the NEWMEIR/STEVENS couple - when they married 1891 she - Harriet -  didn't give her father's name as James STEVENS, Greengrocer:

MARRIAGE:
On 28th Sep 1891, at Parish of Christ Church, Spitalfields, Middlesex
Henry NEWMEIER 22, Bachelor, Skin Dresser, of Brushfield Street.
           Father Henry NEWMEIER, Skin dresser
Harriet STEVENS 20, Spinster, of Brushfield Street.
           Father Henry STEVENS, Carman
Witness: Albert John BULMER, Jane CONNOR

Interesting to see, therefore - that in the 74 Cable Street household of James STEVENS  Greengrocer, and wife Harriet (nee SCOTT) in 1871 - James' brother is in the house:

Henry STEVENS Carman 29, unm, b Whitechapel.

Also in the house is James' Step-Brother Frederick WILLSON 18, Shop Boy, b St George in the East

 Cheers
AMBLY

Thanks for this will go check it out

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Re: Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 August 19 12:11 BST (UK) »
Just to add to the confusion there's a birth for an Harriet Stevens 1871 St. George's in the East MMN: Scott.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/