Need some help with Stevens family maybe Whitechapel

[jim1]

Looks like they are related.
With 2 Thomas Stevens soap boilers does add to the confusion.
We need to know from DebCR how certain she is that we have the correct one.
ie. which Thomas the soap boiler is son of Charles.
ie. again when was Charles born?
Could he have had a son Thomas in 1786-91?

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Just found the above Thomas in 1841, living in Rosemary Lane.  He was 50 years old, married to Jane, and with three children aged 15 - 20.   Born out of county.

So this would have to be a different one.

Yes this is Charles (my ancestor) brother he, William and Henry all fared better in their father James’ will.  Turns out the witness in this theft saga is his nephew John Gilbert his mother Mary is Thomas and Charles sister Mary her husband John Gilbert seems to have fallen on hard times hence their son is now a servant to Thomas (my summation) John and Mary also ran the infamous Inn called the Ostrich in Buckinghamshire which had a pretty gruesome history (before their time) most of Charles children were born in Horton which has made the whole thing harder when they have homes in various places in London.  The other brother William also had a son Thomas who would have been right age but he appears to have died.  Plus all of Williams children don’t appear to work they are obviously all well off unlike Charles children.  Wonder what he did to not inherit like his brothers he seems to get his fathers wearing apparel! 

[Deb Clark Rennie]

I might make a mini tree starting with Harriet Stevens and add all we’ve found and hope eventually more pieces fall into place.

I tried to find a death for Thomas James Stevens first wife but can’t find one.  I just feel I’m either missing something or Thomas has two wives 

[jim1]

There's a burial for a Jane Stevens in 1838 aged 33 which looks a possibility.

[jim1]

I might make a mini tree

I think we'd all like to see that.

[Lily M]

Thanks for putting that up Jim.  It should be more helpful.  Then again    they’re all the same names, with the same occupations!

Deb - can I ask you how many cousins from you are the ones with the other family?  So we have some idea how far back we need to go.

[jim1]

1861:
RG 9; Piece: 269; Folio: 89; Page: 14
Princes St.
Thos Stevens 54 occ: soap maker
Eliz Stevens 41
Emily Stevens 15
Sarah Stevens 10
Matilda Stevens 8

1851:
HO107; Piece: 1545; Folio: 109; Page: 13
Princes St.
Thos Jas Stevens 43 occ: melter
Elizabeth Stevens 31
Thomas Stevens 11 Waterloo Town
Elizabeth Stevens 10   do
Harriot Stevens 8       do
Martha Stevens 7       do
Emily Stevens 5         do
George Stevens 1 1/2 Whitechapel
Sarah Stevens 4 Mo          do
no James or Henry.

1841:HO107; Piece: 694; Book: 4;  Folio: 12; Page; 17.
Albion St. Bethnal Green
Thomas Stevens 35 occ: ? melter
Elizabeth Stevens 23
Thomas Stevens 1
Elizabeth Stevens 5 Mo
no James
Hate to say this but it's the wrong Thomas.
Oh dear we're back to this

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Oh you’ve been busy overnight 
Thank you for sticking with me it’s so frustrating and not being able to find James and Henry in earlier census doesn’t help at all.  I know there are a lot of Stevens living around this area but I’ve not found any other soap boilers except my lot it does feel like something is going on here perhaps a hidden affair? If that be the case I might not ever solve it.  I’ve kept a copy of the 1841 census with a Hannah Stevens and a James who would be if right age living with a Wilson family and noted the address as back church lane which rang some bells as another of Charles Stevens sons was living there when his daughter Eliza was born. Could all be coincidence. 

I have made a tree on ancestry with all you’ve helped me with at least we know Harriet Stevens is the daughter of James and Harriet and that her younger brother George is her half brother and with the discovery of the marriage it’s understandable why she names Henry as her father.  The DNA matches I have to Harriets descendants tell me somehow she’s related to me but if James and Henry were illegitimate then they’ve been kept well hidden.  They name their father as Thomas soap boiler but so far we can’t pin point their births or who their mother might have been. 

I will check into Harriets husband as well just to rule out the DNA match isn’t via him although I doubt it as one of the shared matches is via a descendant of Thomas Stevens (Charles brother)

I might just have to accept not figuring out James and Henry? I’m certainly glad Charles daughter Elizabeth stayed in Buckinghamshire seems a much nicer place than Whitechapel. 

[Deb Clark Rennie]

Wilson family living with a Hannah Stevens and a James of right age 1841 census