James Brindley - Salford, Lancashire

[elizabeths66]

Hi 

I'm trying to find information about James Brindley, married to Mary Pegram (nee Walsh) on 20/1/1838 in Lancashire, England.  Both James and Mary's fathers were listed as Farmers on their marriage record.  It was witnessed by Catherine Brindley but we don't know if she was a sister/cousin/aunty/other.

James was the father of Mary Brindley (born 1839), Ann Brindley (born 1840) and Richard Prince Brindley (born 1841).  All children were born in Salford, Lancashire, England. 

James' profession was listed as Traveller on Richard Prince's marriage record to Fanny Laverack on 8/5/1842, a Brewer on Mary's marriage record to Ambrose Gallimore on 23/5/1863 and as a Commercial Clerk on Anne's marriage record to John Hepton on 4/9/1872.  (Richard Prince Brindley also became a Brewer).

I would like to find out who James' parents are. 

We also know that we are somehow related to James Brindley, the Canal Engineer.  We have a photo that was passed to us from my grandmother but we are not sure how our James connects to this James.

Any help would be very much appreciated!

Thank you in advance.

Elizabeth

[suzard]

here are fuller details of the marriage if it will help anyone searching
20 June 1838 St Phillips Liverpool
James Brindley21 WIDOWER occ Brewer of St Stephens St Salford father John Brindley occ Farmer
Mary Pegram 21 WIDOW Caznecroft? Liverpool father John Walsh occ Farmer
witnesses Catherine Brindley & Thomas Maddock
all signed

is this the first marriage - James would have been about 16 - which is possibly why it was by Licence
15 Aug 1833 St Phillips Liverpool
Marriage by licence
James Brindley of the Parish of Manchester Bachelor
Mary Crewe of this Parish
witnesses Joseph Brindley & James Crewe Junior

Suz

[trish1120]

James may be a lot older than we think;
Marriage only says 21 and over.

MARY Brindley buried 19 Apr 1836, St John the Baptist, Liverpool
Age 29**
(c 1806)
Wife of JAMES Brindley
Abode Salford Manchester
Notes; Husband a book keeper

[suzard]

think you are correct Trish

Found this
1861
High St Stoke upon Trent Staffs
John Derbyshire Head M 50 ale and porter Dealer Kinver Derbys
Catherine wife 47 Oakmoor taffs
JOHN BRINDLEY father in law widowerretired Farmer 81 Alton Staffs
plus 12 yr old servant
RG9 1938 526

then there are baptisms for lots of children in Alton parents John & Frances Brindley
Among them are
CATHERINE b 6 Jun 1815 Oakmoor baptised 11 Jun 1815 Alton
JAMES BAPTISED 5 nOV 1806 aLTON
JOSEPH b 1801 Alton (death 1841 Leek)

Suz

[trish1120]

I cant find any of them 1841/1851 Census

[elizabeths66]

Thanks Suz and Trish

I do have those details from his marriage to Mary Pegram but didn't realise the age was 21 years and OVER.  I've been looking for his DOB as around 1817. 

I had a record of a marriage to another Mary but have misplaced it.  What you have seems to fit.

I also have the Census with John being the father-in-law of Catherine Derbyshire's husband and, at first thought that this must have been James' father but the DOB didn't fit.  If he was older, then this could very well be him.  His mother would then be Frances Mellor.

So, I wonder if this is the right track to keep going down?  If it is, I have already found the other records going back.

[trish1120]

I may have confused the issue there as M/C has age 21 years, I just thought the + had not been added.
If you look at the Marriage below they are both aged 21 and the Bride is a Widow also.
Just laziness by the Vicar in my opinion.

Also as James was married before and his Wife died 1836 age 29 he would be nearer her age.

This may be Sarah Smiths 1st Marriage;
Marriage: 15 Feb 1834 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edward Purcell - Mariner, Liverpool
Sarah Smith - Spinster, Liverpool

So she would be older than 21 to have married 1834

[Brindley]

Hi Elizabeth
I'm related to James Brindley he's my 6th Grt Uncle. His brother Henry is my 6th Great Grandfather.
I found this link today, and only just found this site. 
Hope this link is useful. All the best with your search.
http://roegenealogy.com/FH%20Website/fam7211.html

[Ada Zeeks]

Hi Brindley
With your Henry Brindley, I know who he is, he arrived in Fremantle Western Australia in 1862, He arrived the same year as my gg grandfather.  Are you in Australia too?
Cheers
Ada