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Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« on: Wednesday 04 September 19 04:28 BST (UK) »
My interest in this family arises from a Robert Hart who died in South Australia in 1899, it appears he married Sophia Knight in New Zealand in 1868 and had a child, Alexander, there. At the time of his second marriage in South Australia he stated his father was Duncan Hart.

I have not been able to find records for Duncan and Mary Hart and their children after 1861 nor of where they went. See https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L7NY-VMY

Nor have I found records of Robert Hart travelling to New Zealand or him and wife and child to South Australia.

A number of researchers have Robert Hart being from Wiltshire but records contradict that.

Any help with this family would be appreciated.

Paul

Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay
Residence 1851–1861 Rothesay, Bute, Scotland
m. 1/2 30 May 1836 West Parish, Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland Isabella McArthur (–1839 death record not found)
m. 2/2 24 Apr 1841 Barony, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary McLachlane (1812–)
Children
With Isabella McArthur
•   John Hart (1837 Barony –) 1851 Census with parents Duncan and Mary
•   Alexander Hart (1838 Barony –)
With Mary McLachlane (1812–)
•   Duncan Hart (1842 Barony –) 1851 and 1861 Census
•   Robert Hart (1844 Rothesay –1899) 1851 and 1861 Census
•   Mary Hart (1846 Rothesay –) 1851 Census not in 1861 census with parents
•   Elizabeth Hart (1849 Rothesay –)1851 and 1861 Census
•   Sarah Hart (1851 Rothesay –) 1851 and 1861 Census
•   Colin Hart (1855 Rothesay –) not in 1861 census
•   Catherine Hart (1857 Rothesay –) not in 1861 census
Green, Collins, Cavanagh, Carn or Carne, Gillett, Davis, Symons, Foord, Hart, Knight. McLachlane

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 09:11 BST (UK) »
 Scottish connection Could it have been Dougal Hart he is father of
My direct ancestor Mary Hart from Barony and my DNA connects to someone with Knight Surnames on their tree
I.ll have to check trees and get back to you
Ps can't open fam search link
What details are in that
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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 09:52 BST (UK) »

Your Robert HART is the man who died by suicide, August 1899?

South Australia State Archives   Adelaide Hospital

HART Robert  #1854
Admitted:                     10 Jul 1899
Age:                             50 years
Marital status:               W
Religion:                        Presbyterean
Residence:                     Acland Street
Occupation:                    Bootmaker
Birthplace:                     Scotland
Time in the colony:         35 years
Ship by which arrived:....Elizabeth

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 09:59 BST (UK) »
South Australia State Archives   Adelaide Hospital

HART Alexander  #499
Admitted:                     27 Mar 1886
Age:                             18 years
Marital status:               S
Religion:                        Congregational
Residence:                     Glenelg
Occupation:                   Labourer
Birthplace:                     New Zealand
Time in the colony:         16 years
Ship by which arrived:....?


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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 10:41 BST (UK) »
brigidmac, you need a free registration for the FamilySearch site, the link works for me, you can also find Duncan by searching for L7NY-VMY at https://www.familysearch.org/tree/find/id

wivenhoe yes he did die of suicide, thank you for that, I will look further at the https://archives.sa.gov.au/sites/default/files/public/images/F%20-%20L_1.pdf
Green, Collins, Cavanagh, Carn or Carne, Gillett, Davis, Symons, Foord, Hart, Knight. McLachlane

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 10:44 BST (UK) »
There is a death on Scotlands People for a Duncan Hart 1867 Rothesay age 59 years mothers maiden name McMurphy might be worth checking out

His address on the 1861 census 111,Montague Street Rothesay
Valuation Records 1865 Duncan Hart Shop 109 Montague Street Rothesay
Address 1,Bridge End Rothesay which would tie up with the address his daughter Elizabeth Hart is at on the 1871 census
Elizabeth Hart born about 1849 Rothesay age 22 head of family occupation dressmaker
Sarah Hart born about 1852 Rothesay age 19 sister occupation dressmaker


The children you could not find on the 1861 census
Death for Mary Hart 1857 Rothesay age 11 years
Colin Hart 1856 Rothesay
Catherine Hart 1857 Rothesay
All on Scotlands People mother's maiden name McLachlan

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 September 19 11:31 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth Hart on the 1901 census is at 11.East Princess Street Rothesay age 50 (dressmaker )
Sarah Miller age 48 born Rothesay ( visitor ) would be her sister (seamans wife )
John McK Miller age 8 born Rothesay

Possible death for Elizabeth 1924 age 76 Rothesay

Sarah Hart married George Miller 1880 Rothesay

1891 census has her at 52,Crichton Road Rothesay
Sarah Miller age 39 born Rothesay ( master mariners wife )
George Miller age 9
Dun H Miller age 6

Birth for a Duncan Hart Miller 1884 Rothesay

Death for Sarah Miller other name Hart 1902 Rothesay age 49 years

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 September 19 02:12 BST (UK) »
There is a Duncan Hart b. 19 MAY 1807 Christening 24 MAY 1807 Houston And Killellan, Renfrewshire that may be the 1867 Rothesay death.

Parents John Hart and Mary McMurchy m. 8 Aug 1802 Kilcalmonell And Kilberry, Argyll, Scotland (a possible 2nd wife for John being Mary MacMurphy/ie)

Sarah Miller nee Hart had 3 sons who all died in New South Wales:
  • George Miller 1882–1933
  • Duncan Hart Miller 1884–1934
  • John Donald McKinnon Miller 1893–1950

There is a death on Scotlands People for a Duncan Hart 1867 Rothesay age 59 years mothers maiden name McMurphy might be worth checking out

His address on the 1861 census 111,Montague Street Rothesay
Valuation Records 1865 Duncan Hart Shop 109 Montague Street Rothesay
Address 1,Bridge End Rothesay which would tie up with the address his daughter Elizabeth Hart is at on the 1871 census
Elizabeth Hart born about 1849 Rothesay age 22 head of family occupation dressmaker
Sarah Hart born about 1852 Rothesay age 19 sister occupation dressmaker


The children you could not find on the 1861 census
Death for Mary Hart 1857 Rothesay age 11 years
Colin Hart 1856 Rothesay
Catherine Hart 1857 Rothesay
All on Scotlands People mother's maiden name McLachlan

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Green, Collins, Cavanagh, Carn or Carne, Gillett, Davis, Symons, Foord, Hart, Knight. McLachlane

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Re: Duncan Hart b. c1812 Kilberry, Argyll with 6 of 10 children b. Rothesay, Bute
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 September 19 03:38 BST (UK) »
Spot on, Paul gen - looked at 1867 death certificate and this is your Duncan.  Duncan's siblings were all born/baptised Kilberry, same place parents John Hart and Mary McMurchy married.

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