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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 06 September 19 12:43 BST (UK) »
[/So don't rule them out yet as father and sister to your George   
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Then again  ::)  perhaps they are not. Although I'm sure the Culross Brands will all be related.
I've just found John and Elizabeth Forrester on the 1851 Census and Elizabeth's age is recorded as 44 , giving her a year of birth 1806/07. Which obviously is a good few year before the Elizabeth Brand born to David Brand and Janet Spittal in 1815.
When did she die and what age was recorded?


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Added - I see you have given me that info , thanks.

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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 06 September 19 12:45 BST (UK) »
Just to clarify a point from your original post - A precognition is a formal interview of a witness before a trial or other legal procedure.

Hi Falkyrn,
Thank you for that!
So then, they may not have been involved in the crime at all?

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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 06 September 19 12:56 BST (UK) »
Hi again.

There was an Elizabeth Brand born in 1806 to David Brand and Janet Jean Fergus - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1NL-RVF

This must be Elizabeth Forrester on the 1841 with her father.

Looby :)


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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:01 BST (UK) »
Hi again.

There was an Elizabeth Brand born in 1806 to David Brand and Janet Jean Fergus - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1NL-RVF

This must be Elizabeth Forrester on the 1841 with her father.

Looby :)

Thanks Looby!
I'm glad I can rule that one out now.

I'm now going through George's siblings to see if I can see something I didn't before. Having a hard time finding the female siblings to be honest, you'd think someone called Euphemia would be easy to find...


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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #22 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:07 BST (UK) »
I think Euphemia is in service with a Catherine and Mary Birnie in Culross on the 1841 Census.
Her name has been badly transcribed on Freencen to Euphemsa Brased  ;D
She is still with Mary Birnie on the 1851 Census

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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #23 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:15 BST (UK) »

Hi Falkyrn,
Thank you for that!
So then, they may not have been involved in the crime at all?

EB

Sorry but reading the entry in the NAS Catalogue shows its a precognition of the witnesses in the case against the accused David Brand, & Alexander Spittall , carters of Culross.

PS although the crime is Housebreaking it does not mean that they broke into someones house it may have been a warehouse shop or other storage building. Scots Law classes them all under the definition of a "house"

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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #24 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:20 BST (UK) »
I think Euphemia is in service with a Catherine and Mary Birnie in Culross on the 1841 Census.
Her name has been badly transcribed on Freencen to Euphemsa Brased  ;D
She is still with Mary Birnie on the 1851 Census

Looby

Wow what terrible transcription  ;D
That seems about right, now I just have to hunt down the other siblings. You would think calling two of your children Jean and Janet is just asking for trouble, right?
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Re: Don't know where to go from here?
« Reply #25 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:21 BST (UK) »

Sorry but reading the entry in the NAS Catalogue shows its a precognition of the witnesses in the case against the accused David Brand, & Alexander Spittall , carters of Culross.

PS although the crime is Housebreaking it does not mean that they broke into someones house it may have been a warehouse shop or other storage building. Scots Law classes them all under the definition of a "house"

As weird as it is to say this, that is great news! If they're accused, it bolsters my theory that little bit more. I'd like to think the criminality ran in the family.
Thanks for your research!

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