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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:16 BST (UK) »
Yes, Heywood, you are right!

I cannot discount another death entry as well.

That’s why my friend who obtained this record in person was surprised to see both entries showing same occupation.

I think Eliza couldn’t afford to support herself for three years without any husband if her first husband did die in 1873.

I am not sure how it was done in Dublin during this period. I know in rural areas as I am going by my other Great great grandmother down in Co Cork. She had to mourn for one year before re-marrying. That is what she did. I feel bad for her as she probably have to rely on her relatives nearby for some support.

So I figure it is 1875 one makes sense to me even if 21 Whitefriars Street is more significant.

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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:18 BST (UK) »
Yes, you are right.

It is a shame that other Mathew entry failed to show his given address.


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« Reply #20 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:24 BST (UK) »
Heywood,

Where did you see the marriage record on Mathew Deegan and Rose Manning?

Also, I noticed many death entries are poorly informed. For example, they do not include name of one’s spouse. I am surprised by this.

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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:40 BST (UK) »
The marriage is in Catholic indexes on Ancestry and I searched with your information.
It is here in the parish records. It can barely be read.
The date is December 4th 1831 and is at the bottom of the right hand page.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633552#page/101/mode/1up

I think you mention a sister Ann. There is a baptism in 1840. There would likely be several births between marriage and Ann’s birth.

I am confused re the various generations and people mentioned but I found these baptismal entries - all with the address 21 Whitefriar Street.

Mary Ann Rose Deegan 1873 (I know we already have her but just to mention) Sponsor: Margaret Deegan

Regina Sophia Berenour 1867 sponsor Rose Deegan

Frederick Charles Bernernne 1871 sponsor Mary Anne Deegan

Spelling /transcription difficulties with that surname, I presume.
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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #22 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:54 BST (UK) »
Good spotting these baptisms, I did see them.

I did find twin boys born to Rose and Matthew at the st. Nicholas’ church.

Yes, it is barely readable on the marriage record! I couldn’t make out the witnesses’ names. Many thanks for finding this record!

Does Church record burials like CoI did? I am wondering if Mathew, the grandfather might have died before?

If we were to accept 21 Whitefriars Street death entry as my great gran’s father’s, what about her grandfather’s death?


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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #23 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:56 BST (UK) »
Sorry - who is her grandfather?
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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #24 on: Friday 06 September 19 13:57 BST (UK) »
 Her father and grandfather had same name: Mathew Deegan.


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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #25 on: Friday 06 September 19 14:04 BST (UK) »
I told you I was confused.

Is this the baptism of Matthew - son of Matthew and Rose? Mother is transcribed as Rose Mary but if you look at the record it could say ‘Man’g’ or ‘Mang’.
Other mother’s surnames are entered so I would think that it should be a surname. If he is yours, I am sure you already have it.

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Re: Which death entry is my Great Gran's Father and Grandfather?
« Reply #26 on: Friday 06 September 19 14:23 BST (UK) »
We both are confused!

How to disentangle two death entries?

That’s why I am surprised that there is no sure way to verify which entry is my great gran’s father.

That’s why I searched for names going by her name and found her father’s baptism record.

Then, searching for Rose Deegan’s death, found her and she is the only one who was down as a widow of carman.

That means her husband could have died some years back. Was that her husband aged 57 or not? Or was he died earlier?

I will search on his brothers to see if they stated their father died or not. If they got married after 1864, great! If not, I am stuck....