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Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« on: Sunday 08 September 19 13:09 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
I've been researching my family tree for a while now via findmypast. I'm a stickler for double and triple checking information but unfortunately I think I've gone majorly wrong with one of my paternal 2nd great grandmothers.

My 2nd great grandfather Henry Hiscock b. 1843 Hurst, Berkshire was married to an 'Anna'.  They had 3 children all born in Southsea, Portsmouth Ellen b. 1870, Sarah b. 1871 and my 1st great grandfather Charles b. 1876.

According to the 1871 census, Anna was born in Piddletown, Dorset in 1839 and, in the census, there were also listed Thomas and Susanna 'Vilcat' (misspelling of Vicat) as being at the property, they were clearly named as Father and Mother-in-Law.

The Hiscock family were living in Portsea Island Portsmouth at the time and there was a family called Vicat on Portsea Island.  Great, thought I, an easy find.  This unfortunately is where I think I went wrong.

I spent months looking for any information regarding a vicat/hiscock marriage, birth information for the children or any information regarding Anna Vicat's birth in Dorset.  Zero luck.

As a last resort I cross referenced birth information for children of the same name born in the same years as listed for daughters and son.   As a result I've discovered that there was an Ellen, Sarah and Charles, recorded for the right year's in civil births, whose mother's maiden name was given as Payne.  I also found a civil marriage record for a Henry Hiscock with option of wife being Anna Payne and there's an Anna Payne listed as having been born in Piddletown.

Unfortunately there's no parish records to give me more conclusive information.

So, I have two questions I'm desperate for help with:

Where should I go from here to gain firm proof that Anna Payne was indeed my 2nd Great Grandmother.
Why would the Vicat couple be so clearly marked as mother and father-in-law on the 1871 census?!  (I can find no proof of a previous marriage for either Henry or Anna). Help!

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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 September 19 13:15 BST (UK) »
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Why would the Vicat couple be so clearly marked as mother and father-in-law on the 1871 census?!  (I can find no proof of a previous marriage for either Henry or Anna). Help!

I know that step children at that time are often referred to as son in law or daughter in law, could this be the same thing? Did either Henry or Anna's mothers remarry?
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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 September 19 13:44 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage-Thomas VICAT and Susanna PAYNE Jun Qtr 1862 Alverstoke.

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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 September 19 13:46 BST (UK) »
From Free BMD:-
The names Thomas Vicat and Susanna Payne appear on the same page of the marriage register June 1862 Alverstoke.

PS I see Mareen has beaten me to it!


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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 September 19 13:59 BST (UK) »
Anna's mother was Susanna Payne & father James Payne. Her mother re married Thomas Vicat in 1862 after the death of her husband.

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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 September 19 14:04 BST (UK) »
wow, wow, wow.  You guys are amazing!  I didn't even think of a parent possible re-marrying.  There is an Anna Payne born in Puddletown born to a Susannah Payne and here 20 years older husband James and, as you've also very kindly looked up for me, a Susannah Payne did marry Thomas Vicat.

Can't get over how quickly and brilliantly you've solved a puzzle I've been struggling with for weeks!

Thankyou SO much! xxxx

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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 September 19 14:29 BST (UK) »
James Payne married Susannah Snook in Dewlish, Dorset in 1831. James born Beaminster, Dorset 8th Sept 1811

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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 08 September 19 19:21 BST (UK) »
We forgot to say welcome to Rootschat, as you can see it's a brilliant group. When people work as a team, bouncing ideas off each other, we can often solve things.
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Re: Help with a problem with census info: Families Hiscock, Vicat and Payne
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 September 19 07:53 BST (UK) »
Susanna Payne was a woman born in 1807 in Handley Stunt Dorsetshire Piddletrenthide . During the 1851 UK Census she was 44 years old and lived in Dorset.
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Payne
FIRST NAME:    Susanna
MIDDLE NAME:    
BIRTH YEAR:    1807
BIRTH PLACE:    Handley Stunt Dorsetshire Piddletrenthide
COUNTY:    Dorset
AGE:    44
GENDER:    Female
Residence:    Manor House
Piddletrenthide, Dorset
Household Members:    
James Payne (64, Male)
Susanna Payne (44, Female)
James Payne (13, Male)
James Payne (14, Male)  ???   TWO James Payne aged 13 and 14 - presume one is a cousin ?
John Mitchell (61, Male)
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Manor House as the address ???  so was James Payne rich ??
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