help please with 1857 marriage Ruthin

[kit54]

Hi,
I know that Sylvester Grimes married Elizabeth Davies Jul - Sep 1857 in Ruthin.
Please is there anyone who could tell me which parish it was, or if it took place in the Registry Office?
I'd be grateful for any help,
Thanks,
Kit

[osprey]

By Licence, 14 August parish of Llandegla, Silvester a surgeon, residence St Helens, no details of fathers, witnesses Daniel Owens & John Edwards.

[Gadget]

There is a baptism for a Sylvester Grimes, 29 Jan 1832, at Wavertree. Residence - St Helens. Born 18 May 1831. Parents -William (Innkeeper)  and Ellen Grimes.


Gadget

[JJen]

Just to add that the bride's name was Elizabeth Jane Davies. 

Both signed their names

Sylvester gave his residence as St Helens.
Elizabeth - Llandegla

JJ

[Gadget]

Further to the birth info I gave in my previous reply, the 1861 Census has Sylvester's mother (Ellen)  staying with them

RG09/2748/120/50  17 NewMarket, St Helens

[Gadget]

Not sure about this but a possible marriage:

26 March 1821, Liverpool
William Grimes, hairdresser and Ellen Marsh

[JJen]

1841 for the Grimes family -

Ellen Grimes   40 Victualler
Margaret Grimes   19
Betsy Grimes   15
John Grimes   16
William Grimes   10
Silvester Grimes   8

HO107 Piece 517  Folio 4 Page 3 Book 10, St Helens, Lancs

JJ

[Annette7]

Elizabeth Jane Davies bp.6/2/1842 Liverpool, dau. of George Davies and Mary Leatherbarrow.

So, the marriage certificate is misleading - with fathers details both left blank it suggests they were illegitimate when they were both clearly born to lawful unions.   However, looked at some of the other marriages that took place in that parish and an awful lot had no fathers details.  A tardy incumbent who forgot to ask the relevant questions I wonder??

Annette

[Gadget]

I had problems with one of my Jones marriages in Llandegla  10 years before, so you could well be correct, Annette. Still, at least St Helens was entered and Sylvester had an unusual name and wasn't an ag lab so it was possible to find the family