Trying to find James Alfred Harvey

[NooshieW]

Hi
I am looking for James Alfred Harvey bc 1867 Cold Norton Essex.
He married Mary Plunkett in 1906 in Westminster. She was b 1886/7. They had 3 children on the 1911 census, William, May and Lillian.
They are on the 1911 census living in Old Pye Street, Westminster, then the last sighting is in the workhouse 1913, the whole family is in there.
I cannot find a birth or baptism for James Alfred . Thought I had found him on the 1881 census with his family living in Cold Norton,father Charles, mother Emma,but it’s not him. This James has the wrong initial and appears to be on the 1911 census as an inmate in Essex.
Any help unravelling this family would be great .
I do not have the marriage certificate of James and Mary.
Thanks

[avm228]

What is the source for his birthdate being c1867?

He is James Harvey, 37, in 1911.  If right, born c1874.

[avm228]

Is the workhouse record your source for bc1867?

[NooshieW]

Yes it is. I figured the workhouse record would have to be accurate, whereas he could make himself younger on the census as he was so much older than his wife. I have checked Essex for 1874 James Alfreds and couldn’t find him either .

[NooshieW]

Hi ,since posting this I have found them on the 1939, his dob is 15/08/1867. Hope that helps.

[Lily M]

Is this him in 1901 with a different wife?

West Ham
James Harvey  head  34  Railway lab.  Cold Norton
Ann Harvey  wife  39                          South Weald, Essex

[Lily M]

No.  I think that James must be the one you found with father Charles.

[CaroleW]

The marriage to Mary Plunkett was Dec qtr 1906 but the only birth for a Mary Lillian Harvey is June 1906 mmn Eves in West Ham.  She was Mary Lilian Dorothy

Unfortunately the 1906 marriage is not online

[NooshieW]

Ok, this is odd. I am researching for a friend. Her father is the William Richard on the 1911 records.
She says her grandmother was Plunkett.