O'Brien Family help

[Sam364]

Happy Saturday to all,

I know this maybe a long shot, but I'm trying to trace my family name back to Ireland. However as many may know records in Ireland around the early 1800's are few and far between!

I'm looking for anything on my 3rd great grandfather John O'Brien and his wife who is my 3rd great grandmother Ann O'Brien (maiden name of Corcoran). I believe they might have moved to Liverpool England around 1860 and around 1865 had a son there also called John O'Brien (who is my 2nd great grandfather). John Jnr eventually moved to Scotland around 1880 and lived with an Aunt and Uncle in Baillieston outside Glasgow.

I had found the attached England census that maybe John and Ann, but unsure if that is actually them!

Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks
Sam

[ballydw]

Hi Sam364 it is going to be difficult with a name of O Brien. I notice on the census you posted John O Brien was born in Co Waterford and Ann Corcoran born in Tipperary.
No Civil registration in Ireland until 1864 I suggest do a search in Church Records for a Marriage for them but search under Ann Corcoran www.irishgenealogy.ie do not enter any diocese as you do not know that is I presume they married in Ireland before moving to UK. On checking irish genealogy it wont help as it doesnt cover Waterford & Tipperary.
Can you check the Aunt & Uncle in Scotland they must have been connected to either the mother or father of John Junior

[Sam364]

Thanks ballydw for the advice! I will maybe have to try another angle as you mention the Auntie and Uncle in Scotland.

Sam

[aghadowey]

Have you tried tracing the family in 1860 census onwards?

Not sure I understand the advice given in reply #1 but if they were Catholic there are lots of parish registers here (free)- https://registers.nli.ie/ Coverage varies but will give you a place to search for the marriage.
Have you found any children born in Ireland? Although civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 you might find more children in census records. If you find a child born in Ireland in census records be sure to follow them up in all possible census records in case a more exact place of birth than 'Ireland' is given.

[eileenwilson]

Possible in the 1871 English Census
Walton Le Dale, Lancashire

O'Brian, John, Head, married, aged 40, labourer garden, b. Ireland
O'Brian, Ann, Wife, married, aged 36, b. Ireland
O'Brian, Margaret, Daughter, single, aged 13, cotton weaver, b. Lancashire Warington
O'Brian, Ellen, Daughter, single, aged 11, sweeper cotton mill, b. Lancashire Warington
O'Brian, Mary, Daughter, single, aged 8, scholar, b. Lancashire Walton Le Dale
O'Brian, John, Son, single, aged 6, scholar, b. Lancashire Walton Le Dale
O'Brian, Elizabeth, Daughter, single, aged 3, b. ditto
O'Brian, Jane, Daughter, single, aged 1, b. ditto
Cochlin, Julia, Boarder, unmarried, aged 50, cotton mill card room hand, b. Ireland

OR

Everton, Liverpool, Lancashire

O'Brien, John, married, aged 30, labourer, b. Ireland
O'Brien, Ann, married, aged 28, b. Ireland
O'Brien, John, son, aged 8, b. Liverpool
O'Brien, Mary A., daughter, aged 5, b. Liverpool
O'Brien, Margaret, daughter, aged 4, b. Liverpool
O'Brien, James, son, aged 2, b. Liverpool
O'Brien, William, son, aged 2, b. Liverpool

Who were the aunt and uncle he lived with in Scotland?

[eileenwilson]

The first census entry in Walton Le Dale -- they are still there in the 1881 census and son John is aged 15.  Says the parents were born in Co. Clare, Ireland.

[heywood]

1881
Old Monkland

John Martin 35 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Martin   37 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Martin   4 yrs b Old Monkland
Sarah Martin 1 yr b Old Monkland
John O'Brien nephew 16 yrs b England

[heywood]

If the one above is the right John, here he is in 1871

This is from a transcription so the original may be slightly different e.g. John and Margaret’s surname and the relative is presumably Corcoran.maybe Margaret is the Corcoran.

Old Monkland

John Marter 25 yrs b Ireland
Margaret Marter   25 yrs b Ireland
John Obrien 6 yrs b London
Timothy Corcovan 31 yrs b Ireland

[eileenwilson]

From familysearch:

Household   Role   Sex   Age
John Martin      Male   25   
Margaret Martin      Female   25   
John V Brien      Male   6   nephew
Timothy Corcoran      Male   31   relative