So need help - pulling my hair out.. trying to find the Mother of Alfred Jones

[osprey]

no, marriage given at the beginning of this thread, I just added refs, and baptism was given on the other thread.

[[Ray]]

Hi     


Winifred re-married 1983?     

Marriage Dec 1983 SURREY N     17    278 Winifred M Jones / Henry A Cowell


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[[Ray]]

Alfred's death registration?     

Death Jun 1976 Surrey NW 17 764 Alfred William Jones ( 20JE 1914 )


Obv conflict with NHS data date+initial, but "matches" QTR regd     

       






 
 

[jonwarrn]

From the other thread

I can find Charles on census 1939 showing as Married to
it is only showing him as being the only one living at 9 Baldwin Cottage though but does say married

1930 electoral register, 9 Baldwin Cottages, Alexandra Road, Sunbury
Charles Jones, Ellen Jones

1931
They are joined by Charles William Jones.
I guess he might be

Possible birth registration for Charles aged 2, born Sunbury.
BROWN, CHARLES  WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1909  S Quarter in STAINES  Volume 03A  Page 3

1933
Charles William no longer listed at 9 Baldwin Cottages.
Charles and Ellen Jones still there.
with them are
Alfred Jones
Frederick Thomas Jones

Possible for Frederick
Births June 1912 Staines 3a 11
Jones, Frederick Thomas
mother Brown

But Alfred, if born 1914, shouldn't really be on the 1933 electoral register (in force Oct 33 to Oct 34)
In the 1936 register, Frederick Thomas has gone, leaving Alfred, Charles and Ellen.
And in 1937 just Charles Jones at 9 Baldwin Cottages. Ditto 1938 and 1939. No Ellen.
No Jones at all in 1945.

All the while, at 10 Baldwin Cottages
Alfred James Howard + Alice Emily Howard
Perhaps those two are just neighbours!

[[Ray]]

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[Dundee]

Why is she now Ellen HOWARD when on the other thread she was Ellen BROWN?

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818549.0

I know that Charles did marry Ellen Howard, as she is the Sister of someone else in the family so that is a definite correct piece of information.. Ellen's Sister was called Phyllis M Howard

Who did that Phyllis marry?

The only HOWARD family in the right area that I can see who had daughters named Ellen and Phyllis were Arthur HOWARD and Margaret GARDNER.  That Ellen (chops and changes between Helen/Ellen) was born in 1897, married Norman WALTER, and can be followed on electoral registers with Arthur and Margaret.  Margaret was still alive and living with Ellen in 1939.

Ellen's sister Phyllis Margaret HOWARD was born to Arthur and Margaret in 1900 and married Charles REYNOLDS.

Debra 

[Louisejo]

From the other thread

I can find Charles on census 1939 showing as Married to
it is only showing him as being the only one living at 9 Baldwin Cottage though but does say married

1930 electoral register, 9 Baldwin Cottages, Alexandra Road, Sunbury
Charles Jones, Ellen Jones

1931
They are joined by Charles William Jones.
I guess he might be

Possible birth registration for Charles aged 2, born Sunbury.
BROWN, CHARLES  WILLIAM JONES
GRO Reference: 1909  S Quarter in STAINES  Volume 03A  Page 3

1933
Charles William no longer listed at 9 Baldwin Cottages.
Charles and Ellen Jones still there.
with them are
Alfred Jones
Frederick Thomas Jones

Possible for Frederick
Births June 1912 Staines 3a 11
Jones, Frederick Thomas
mother Brown

But Alfred, if born 1914, shouldn't really be on the 1933 electoral register (in force Oct 33 to Oct 34)
In the 1936 register, Frederick Thomas has gone, leaving Alfred, Charles and Ellen.
And in 1937 just Charles Jones at 9 Baldwin Cottages. Ditto 1938 and 1939. No Ellen.
No Jones at all in 1945.

All the while, at 10 Baldwin Cottages
Alfred James Howard + Alice Emily Howard
Perhaps those two are just neighbours!
That is the information I had found out before...
My family are all useless and driving me nuts with their lack of knowledge about their own parents and grandparents..
I am wondering if Ellen is in fact Ellen Brown - Her Mother I believe was a Brown.
Also when you look at Alfred, Fred's and Charles Dad Charles he had an older Bro William] - so could be Charles William was named after his Dad and Uncle. Then Charles has another Bro Frederick and also a Bro Thomas - which Frederick could have been named after his 2 Uncles.
Charles also had a Bro Alfred and could be who my Grandad Alfred is named after...
this makes sense to me..... which I know is not the way to prove it but I don't know what else to do as the only definate right information is Alfred's wedding to Winifred and a record of them living at 11 Beards Road - that is a fact...