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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 19 September 19 20:49 BST (UK) »
Possibly of no help, but is there some significance in Norman not being on the electoral roll in 1937.
It’s not like a census, it suggests to me that a decision was made that Norman was no longer a part of this household, rather than not being there the day the form was filled in

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 19 September 19 21:18 BST (UK) »
Possibly of no help, but is there some significance in Norman not being on the electoral roll in 1937.
Itís not like a census, it suggests to me that a decision was made that Norman was no longer a part of this household, rather than not being there the day the form was filled in

Mike

I was wondering that as well.

But-where are the CROFT family in 1939?

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 19 September 19 22:12 BST (UK) »
Possibly of no help, but is there some significance in Norman not being on the electoral roll in 1937.
Itís not like a census, it suggests to me that a decision was made that Norman was no longer a part of this household, rather than not being there the day the form was filled in

Mike

I was wondering that as well.

But-where are the CROFT family in 1939?

Maureen

Gone from 222 Park Street Luton.
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 19 September 19 23:41 BST (UK) »
Possibly of no help, but is there some significance in Norman not being on the electoral roll in 1937.
Itís not like a census, it suggests to me that a decision was made that Norman was no longer a part of this household, rather than not being there the day the form was filled in

Mike

The death of Eric Simms (Normans brother) following a riding accident is reported in the Bucks Herald 10 Mar 1939 along with a list of family mourners present at the funeral conducted at Quainton parish church....
 
"The family mourners included Mr, and Mrs. J. Simms, father and mother ; Mr. M. Simms and Mr. G. Simms, brothers; Mr. and Mrs, T. Midgeley and Mr. and Mrs. N. Curtis, brothers-in-law and sisters; Miss R. Simms, sister, and Mr. A. Cooper, brother-in-law."

Assuming "M. Simms" is John Mornington Simms then Norman is the only family member not present at his brothers funeral

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 19 September 19 23:52 BST (UK) »
Which all seems to be pointing to the fact that he may have been abroad.
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 21 September 19 12:30 BST (UK) »
Thank you, especially regarding the article in the Bucks Herald.

I have ordered birth and marriage certificates which should be here by the end of next week.
LAY - HAM, BKM
SARGENT - SFK
THAIN - NFK, SFK, YKS
DEAN - YKS
WAGER- YKS
HARRIS - BKM
SIMMS - BKM
and lots more besides

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 29 September 19 19:23 BST (UK) »
Certificates now received. I can confirm that Miss Simms is the daughter of Norman Rupert Simms. At the time of her birth the family were living in Miswell Lane, Tring. Norman's occupation is given as jockey. Her mother is given as Ethel Irene Simms (nťe Croft). By the time she was married she was a housekeeper in Luton. Her father's rank or profession is not stated. It does not state 'deceased'. Neither of her parents were witnesses at her wedding.

Any more ideas about Norman and Ethel will be most gratefully received.



LAY - HAM, BKM
SARGENT - SFK
THAIN - NFK, SFK, YKS
DEAN - YKS
WAGER- YKS
HARRIS - BKM
SIMMS - BKM
and lots more besides

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #25 on: Monday 30 September 19 09:10 BST (UK) »
From the Bucks Herald 3 April 1928 reporting on Aylesbury Steeplechases.....

" ...the most unlucky rider was N. Simms of Quainton, who came to grief in the first race..."
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #26 on: Monday 30 September 19 10:26 BST (UK) »
Which shows that he really was a jockey. However, would that have been a full time occupation in 1932?
LAY - HAM, BKM
SARGENT - SFK
THAIN - NFK, SFK, YKS
DEAN - YKS
WAGER- YKS
HARRIS - BKM
SIMMS - BKM
and lots more besides