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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 19 September 19 09:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks, John. Goodness knows where they went after that.
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 19 September 19 11:31 BST (UK) »
As per Bedfordshire Electoral Rolls available on Anc*...

From 1933 to 1936 at 217 Park Street Luton is Norman Simms & Ethel Simms, along with John Croft, Mary Jane Croft & George Croft - most likely Ethel's family.
In 1937 at 222 Park Street Luton are the Crofts & Ethel Simms but not Norman
In 1938 at 222 Park Street Luton are just the Crofts - no Simms

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Which fits in with them not being found on the 1939 register. Could they have emigrated?
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 19 September 19 12:05 BST (UK) »
If they emigrated pre-1939 you would assume dtr b 1932 would have gone with them but she married in England in 1954 if the marriage on freebmd (and the Ancestry tree) are correct?? 

Perhaps they returned to England but if so - I can't see any deaths for Norman or Ethel that fit their profiles

I also checked www.cwgc.com in case he died in WW2 but no entry for him
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 19 September 19 12:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you.

I am completely stumped. I thought I had tried all the obvious routes which is why I asked for help on RootsChat. Sometimes somebody comes up with something I have missed !
LAY - HAM, BKM
SARGENT - SFK
THAIN - NFK, SFK, YKS
DEAN - YKS
WAGER- YKS
HARRIS - BKM
SIMMS - BKM
and lots more besides

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:06 BST (UK) »
If you have access to Ancestry it may be worth your while having a look at the tree and contacting the tree owner

I completely agree with your comments re not trusting info and there is certainly nothing online to support some of the info re deaths unless they died in another country
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 19 September 19 13:12 BST (UK) »
Have you the birth certificate for the girl born Berkhamstead in June 1932 proving she's the daughter of Norman Simms & Ethel Croft

Have you the marriage certificate of this girl in Luton RD in Mar 1952 to prove that she's the daughter of Norman Simms - & this may also say if he's deceased ?

From FreeBMD there's 4 birth indexes containing the names of the couple that got married, first 2 in Luton & then 2 in Hitchin between Sept 1953 & June 1960 

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 19 September 19 16:19 BST (UK) »
An Electoral register entry shows the daughter and husband in Hitchin 2003-2006

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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 19 September 19 20:22 BST (UK) »
No, John, no certificates as yet. I think the marriage certificate would be a good place to start. It is the only marriage with that combination of surnames in

I also think that they had four children. I had got that far. It is the only marriage with that combination of surnames in more recent years.
LAY - HAM, BKM
SARGENT - SFK
THAIN - NFK, SFK, YKS
DEAN - YKS
WAGER- YKS
HARRIS - BKM
SIMMS - BKM
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Re: Birth of Miss SIMMS in Hertfordshire.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 19 September 19 20:40 BST (UK) »


I also think that they had four children. I had got that far. It is the only marriage with that combination of surnames in more recent years.

Are you talking about the Simms/Croft marriage?

Norman Simms and Ethel Croft married in Luton 1931. I can only see the daughter you are looking for born 1932 Berkhamstead.

There are two more children born to Simms/Croft parents but in 1949 and 1954 in Croydon, Surrey. However they are the children of a different couple who married in Croydon in 1946.

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