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Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« on: Sunday 22 September 19 03:34 BST (UK) »
hello Troops have i missed any references that may help confirm the McClures migration from Scotland to Donegal & then to Australia & Virginia?
McClure noted as an ancient Ayrshire family before the year 1100.[source – Tracing your Donegal Ancestors by Helen Meehan & Godfrey Duff - 2008].
In 1677 Richard McClure leased [5.5.1677] the Findrum Estate from Charles Hamilton of Cavan and Donaghmore. Hamilton inherited the Findrum Estate from Sir John Wilson.[McClure DNA – Richard [1650-1709] , son Francis – gent of Findrum [1675-?]].[Charles [? – 1758, is said to be another son of Richard above].
1832 Findrum Legal Opinion – from Rankin Stuart Deeds. Copy of case for opinion of John Colhoun-Andrew Gregg Solicitor – March 1832. “the said Richard McClure [of the 1677 deed] possessed the lands of Ballyboe during his life and had four sons one of whom Francis McClure possessed the said lands at his death but whether as eldest son and heir at law at this length of time cannot be ascertained but the said Francis is said to have been the eldest son; Francis died leaving 3 or 4 sons, the eldest being David McClure [wife Jane Graham[married 1736?]] who possessed the lands at Ballyboe and David on the marriage of his son Andrew McClure [born 1750 settled these lands on him by deed 21.12.1770.
1661 - There are records on a tombstone erected at Findrum, County Donegal by Andrew McClure, Surgeon, Royal Navy, to the memory of his ancestors whose remains lie deposited in the vault beneath, and who for upwards of two hundred years had resided at Findrum. This tomb has inscribed upon it the coat-of-arms, crest, and motto of the McClures. Erected 1861.
Ayrshire Donegal Planters John Cunningham of Crafueld. William Stewart , Laird of Dunduff of Maybole.  James Cunningham, Laird of Glangarnocke Ayr. The Cunningham and Stewart families took the Laggan Valley and divided it into two parts – Liffer/Lifford & Portlough. They brought their tenants with them and leased them farms.
Muster Rolls of Barony of Raphoe County Donegal circa 1630Estate of Sir John Wilson [Inherited by Charles Hamilton 1655].
1665 – Hearth Tax – Parish Raphoe – Donegal Dean of Raphoe – Churchlands -  Robert M’Cluer, John McClure Jnr, John M’Cluer of Agagalty. [and a Gilbert McCluer – Parish of Donoghmore.][source – The Days of Laggan Presbytery by Rev.A.G.Lecky].[Bishop George Montgomery of Raphoe- who is said to have brought over settlers from his native Ayrshire.
Pynnars Survey 1616 land grants of Liffer [Lifford] Precinct, Barony of Raphoe, County Donegal.[No McClurers]
Undertaker Peter Benson Esq. 1500 acres.
[Kilpatricks and Killynure McClures known to each other in Donegal and Australia
Pynnars Survey 1616 stated that many of the Scottish tenants came from North Ayrshire – some towns named. Also noted that lowland Scots were used as troops to quell the north from 1606-1609. The lowland Scots were probably listed as British.
Cloghroh/Cloghroe-Samuel McClure, wife [nee McClure], children – Nancy, Elizabeth, Jane, Samuel, David.Findrum – Widow McClure – Andrew, Mary, & Rebecca.[Widow McClure – John McClure 1765-1816] m. Mary Caldwell].John Gregg.m.Margaret McClure – children.1835 – Listed Will of David McClure of Kilross [between Killynure & Stranorlar][near Upper Cavan].1840 – Robert McClure of Magheranappin married Margaret Montgomery second daughter of Hugh Montgomery of Ray.
1857 – Griffiths Valuations – Convoy Donegal.
David McClure – Wilsons Fort/Killynure[Convoy Parish, Raphoe South Barony][Immediate Lessor – Mrs.Stewart & Charles Edward Stewart].Samuel McClure snr – Cloghroe [Convoy Parish, Raphoe South Barony][Immediate Lessor – Sir Edmund S.Hayes].Samuel McClure jnr – Cloghroe [Convoy Parish, Raphoe South Barony][Immediate Lessor – Samuel Hayes Snr].William McClure – Magheranappin [Convoy Parish, Raphoe South Barony][Immediate Lessor – Robert G. Montgomery].James McClure – Gobnascale – Convoy Parish.John McClure – Augagault Big – Convoy Parish.
1876 – Landowners List – David McClure, Gobnascale – 59 acres. November 1896 - Land Deed Search - 6.3.1855, 1.1.1870, 12.4.1877, 13.12.1877, 5.2.1891- James McClure [Robert McClure – son], William McClure, David McClure Gobnascale, Parish Convoy, Barony Raphoe. [David McClure of Gobnascale – note ‘This does not apply the Grantor must be David McClure of Killynure].Cloghroe McClures Charles McClure – Freeholders list 1775-1778 Samuel McClure – Raphoe Vestry 1767, Spinning Wheel 1796, Will 1779.Son of Samuel – Samuel McClure – bc1769, d.1865.m.[nee]McClure, Convoy Presbyterian Congregation 1822, Freeholders List 1829.
Heresay from Gobnascale McClures that they are related to the McClures of Killynure/Convoy.

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Jack Gee
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Re: Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 September 19 10:01 BST (UK) »


You have the likes of
 
McClure family of the Barony of Raphoe

Citation:    Journal of the County Donegal Historical Society , Vol. I, No. 3, p. 210, At the NLI:
Call number: Ir 94113 d 3


Elsewhere:
Use WorldCat to find   Journal of the County Donegal Historical Society.
Use Copac to find  Journal of the County Donegal Historical Society.

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Re: Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 22 September 19 11:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the tip Hallmark.

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Re: Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 September 19 12:14 BST (UK) »

The Registry of Deeds is located in Henrietta Street, Dublin, Ireland and is a repository of records of wills, land transactions in Ireland and other deeds from 1709. (explained in Ireland Resources Secton)

While the original purpose of the Registry of Deeds was to enforce rules limiting the land transactions of Catholics, even before the removal of these rules in 1782 many Catholics and representatives of Catholic families appear in the memorials.

Many memorials involved people of modest means who were merchants and traders who registered deeds to provide some form of security of tenure. Moreover, Catholic occupiers are sometimes mentioned.

The Registry of Deeds is a rich source of genealogical information. Marriage and other settlements are particularly informative about family relationships.


There are a few with McClures as Grantors between 1730 and 1768 for example (attached)

there may be some from Cunningham or Stewart or whoever to them

....or mentions of any earlier leases from Cunningham or Stewart families or whoever they leased from, mentioned in the 1730 and 1768 lot of Killynure

The Reg of Deeds is from 1709 and some can often contain a transfer of a Deed dated mid/late 1600's to 2 or 3 sons or with them being named "as lives" on early Deed.


You mention  [David McClure of Gobnascale – note ‘This does not apply the Grantor must be David McClure of Killynure]..... are there Deeds with this David of Killynure as Grantor?  Granting to Whom?

Richard McClure leased [5.5.1677] the Findrum Estate from Charles Hamilton of Cavan and Donaghmore.....when Richard died, is there a renewal from Hamilton family to McClures?

Francis died leaving 3 or 4 sons, the eldest being David McClure [wife Jane Graham[married 1736?]] who possessed the lands at Ballyboe and David on the marriage of his son Andrew McClure [born 1750 settled these lands on him by deed 21.12.1770.


Francis died leaving 3 or 4 sons,  are these mentioned in any renewal from Hamilton family to McClures?
 
 
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Re: Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 September 19 12:19 BST (UK) »


Are any of yours mentioned in

The McClure family by  James Alexander McClure ?

 https://archive.org/details/mcclurefamily00mcclgoog/page/n18






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https://archive.org/details/mcclurefamilyrec00clem/page/4

McClure family records : An account of the first American settlers and colonial families of the name of McClure, and other genealogical and historical data, mostly new and original material, including early wills and marriages, heretofore unpublished

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    Clemens, William Montgomery, 1860-1931


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Re: Scotland[Ayrshire?] to Donegal[Raphoe Barony] to Australia & Virginia.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 October 19 05:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks Hallmark for your input.
It has taken me a while to form a reply.
Thanks for the links - i have been there before but it is an old technique to go over old material to look with fresh eyes - marvellous what you can see - again.
I know the terms Planters, Undertakers and servitors but what did a Grantor do?
The note on the David McCLure of Killynure & Gobnascale came from a bad photocopy of Registry of DeedsSearch note provided by Ellis Sons & Hogan Agents of Dublin. I am interested in your thumb print photo with Arthur McClure mentioned - any other details behind it?
The Richard McClure note 1677 was from an 1832 legal opinion - 'Copy case for opinion of John Colhoun - Andrew Gregg Solicitor March 1832.
It names Richard McClure his son Francis McClure [3 or 4 sons], Francis son eldest David McClure. To Davis McClures son Andrew McClure . Basically proving the 1655 Findrum lease was in McClure hands until at least 1832.
Once again thanks for your input to finger the resources so quickly.
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 03 October 19 05:07 BST (UK) »
Must have pressed something bad to do the crossout. Please disregaurd.
Jack
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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 03 October 19 07:18 BST (UK) »
Thanks Hallmark for your input.
It has taken me a while to form a reply.
Thanks for the links - i have been there before but it is an old technique to go over old material to look with fresh eyes - marvellous what you can see - again.
I know the terms Planters, Undertakers and servitors but what did a Grantor do?
The note on the David McCLure of Killynure & Gobnascale came from a bad photocopy of Registry of DeedsSearch note provided by Ellis Sons & Hogan Agents of Dublin. I am interested in your thumb print photo with Arthur McClure mentioned - any other details behind it?
The Richard McClure note 1677 was from an 1832 legal opinion - 'Copy case for opinion of John Colhoun - Andrew Gregg Solicitor March 1832.
It names Richard McClure his son Francis McClure [3 or 4 sons], Francis son eldest David McClure. To Davis McClures son Andrew McClure . Basically proving the 1655 Findrum lease was in McClure hands until at least 1832.
Once again thanks for your input to finger the resources so quickly.
Cheers
jack Gee

It just says Robert and Arthur (grantors) leased the farm to David (grantee) and his heirs for 999 years


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-97PK-3?i=215&cat=185720

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