OPC Records for Plymouth - POPHAM

[IgorStrav]

The other thing to consider - sadly - is that William and Mary Ann may not have married, but just lived together and had a family. 

I have several in my tree where births were registered, and baptisms carried out, but the parents weren't actually married, though they indicated they were.

 

[hpops]

In somebody else family tree (that had no citation/facts) they had the followings his father -

William Popham born 1791 Barnstable, Devon - Died 1876 Plymton St Mary, Devon

I can find confirmation of a William Popham dying in 1876 Plymton St Mary, Devon. But can't find his birth or any records linking him to William Henry Popham.

Do you think this might be a possibility or has the family tree owner jumped to a conclusion with no evidence?

Thanks

[IgorStrav]

In somebody else family tree (that had no citation/facts) they had the followings his father -

William Popham born 1791 Barnstable, Devon - Died 1876 Plymton St Mary, Devon

I can find confirmation of a William Popham dying in 1876 Plymton St Mary, Devon. But can't find his birth or any records linking him to William Henry Popham.

Do you think this might be a possibility or has the family tree owner jumped to a conclusion with no evidence?

Thanks

You can never be certain without the evidence.
Ancestry Trees are famous for hopeful owners making hopeful guesses.

As we know even from this thread, the Popham name is relatively common in the area (as is Dymont, Dimond, Dymond - all logical spellings given a Devon accent and no fixed surname spelling), so this could be YOUR William  Henry Popham.  Or not

 


Added:  If you wanted to check the death cert, you could buy it and see if the person who reported the death could be linked in to YOUR William Henry.

[hpops]

Is there likely to be more information on the certificate than the transcriptions then? I didn't;t know this was the case.

Thanks

[candrjm]

Working on the theory that your William did marry twice this looks like him in 1851 with wife Betsy:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5902cfb6e9379091b1746911/william-h-popham-1851-devon-east-stonehouse-1819-?locale=en

3 Mary Street East Stonehouse Devon

William H Popham aged 32 born Plymouth occ: Labourer so born c1819
Betsy aged 29 born Redditch Worcestershire

There is a baptism on FindMyPast for a William Henry Popham in 1818 in Plymouth St Andrew with father recorded as Cies

and this 1841 census:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1461cff4040b9d6e5790d5/william-popham-1841-devon-plymouth-borough-1821-?locale=en

records Cies as a Shipwright
and William born c1820

on the above posting  by osprey recording the marriage details for Betsy and William, William's father is recorded as Charles (?) was this ? because it might have been Cies?

If your William Henry is the same one who married Betsy he might have been passing himself off as a younger man as Mary Ann would have been about 19 years younger.

[IgorStrav]

Is there likely to be more information on the certificate than the transcriptions then? I didn't;t know this was the case.

Thanks

A death cert doesn't have much information on it. 

The information it does have can be inaccurate as it is the informant saying how old the person was, and they may not know exactly.

However, it does say
who reported the death and their relationship to the deceased (could be a relative)
and
the address where the death occurred,
and
the occupation of the deceased

As you can imagine, these pieces of information MAY be helpful, in confirming a child or wife's name, or an address/occupation which relates to a census record you've already got.

Added:

but equally the certificate might say
John Smith
labourer
[address which doesn't relate to anything else] or [workhouse infirmary]
informant [person you've never heard of] simply [present at the death] or [workhouse manager]

leaving you money down and no wiser.   

[hpops]

I have just found this on Ancestry!!

https://www.ancestry.com/mediaui-viewer/tree/11930161/person/13107225725/media/1566e690-172b-4472-8bba-358c1b84c47e

Is this him do your think?

[osprey]

it had crossed my mind that it was the same William Henry Popham that had married Betsy with father Cies, not Charles as I'd noted, and he then lost a few years on census entries with Mary Ann.

Think the marriage of Mary Ann's parents was 26 June 1836 in Buckland Monachorum Charles Diamond & Mary Jones.

Cies Popham married Jane Gibbs 14 April 1816 parish of Charles in Plymouth, witnesses Samuel Gibbs and Richard Charles Bennett.
He married again as a widower 16 July 1843 St Andrew, Plymouth to widow Peggy Tucker, his father James,tailor, and hers Joseph Kinsman, tanner.
Cies buried 22 April 1855 aged about 63, died 16 April address 5 Lambert St, Devonport.

Yes, the Ancestry tree probably guessed.