Travellers Lindsay and Lowder

[Erin87]

Hi Everyone,

I was hoping for some help, I am trying to locate any Lindsay's or Lowder's from the Surrey area? I am researching a family that shows as Clara Lindsay and Lowder born 1883, there are stories of the family coming from Gypsies and by how hard I am finding it to locate the information I suspect this is true.

I hoping someone has heard of these families and has history on them. Mainly seem to be around Croydon/Redhill/Dorking Surrey way.

Thanks!

[PaulineJ]

I can't find any record which matches the description of your people.

Can you point us directly to the census/ marriage/ birth or whatever?

[Erin87]

Sure, Clara appears on the 1901 census grove road redhill as Betsy Lindsay on Ancestry;

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7814/SRYRG13_626_627-0128?pid=4724727&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db%3Duki1901%26indiv%3Dtry%26h%3D4724727&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.127602765.1735032930.1570023155-259554108.1516283032

I tried to attach a picture on the census but it did not like it. She is married to Thomas Card in 1901 in Croydon. Her father shows on the marriage certificate as Anthony Lindsay.

Most of her children show the maiden name as Lindsay - but this changes with Jesse Card 1910 where the maiden name changes to Lowder.

[PaulineJ]

So it's her parents on the page just below her?

What's the maiden name of Clara (b 1882 ) mother?

[Erin87]

That is what I can gather, I don't have the information but running my Theory I would say it is Lowder

[IgorStrav]

I have a relative by marriage in my tree in Wrotham in Kent in the 1861.

He is Peter Lowder (the name also shown as Louder in some records) who married my greatx3 aunt Sarah Cooley in 1859 in Plaxtol, Kent.  His father is shown as James Lowder but I don't have the certificate (or an image at present) to say what father's occupation was (or Peter's own at the time of marriage).

His birthplace is transcribed on Ancestry as SLAFHAM, Sussex on the 1861, which - after a bit of consultation on the Sussex board here - we thought might be SLAUGHAM.

On the 1861 he is shown as a Marine Dealer, which is a travelling occupation, and my ancestor Sarah Cooley also came from a travelling family (made famous here on the Kent boards as the 'mysterious Cork(e) family'.)

He died in 1862

If this is of help or interest to you - happy to share more details.

I have done a bit more research on him, with (as I recall) some educated guesses.....

[IgorStrav]

Sorry, should have added - since your research mentions a slightly later date of 1883 - that Peter Lowder and Sarah Cooley had daughters Elizabeth Jane Lowder (1859-1938), Mary Ann Lowder (1861) and Alice (1865-1903)

I see that if I have her dates right, Alice can't have been Peter's daughter.

[whiteout7]

That is what I can gather, I don't have the information but running my Theory I would say it is Lowder
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Is this Clara's birth registration at Reigate, Surrey?

LOWDER, CLARA    (mothers maiden name was blank) 
GRO Reference: 1882  J Quarter in REIGATE  Volume 02A  Page 164

[whiteout7]

"Bridget Lowder, of Grove Road, Redhill, was summoned for being drunk and disorderly on May 26th (1900), and resisting P.G. Arnold whilst in the execution of his duty." Newspaper was the Surrey Mirror.

"Reigate Borough Police ...…  James Lowder, of ? Road, Redhill. was brought a warrant charged with deserting his wife and causing her be chargeable …..  Lowder was sent prison for 14 days."  23 November 1900, Surrey Mirror.


If you sign up and get the three free articles here https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk you can read them

Just search for Lowder and restrict the search area to Surrey.

Added:
James Lowder and William Kent of Earlswood charged with stealing swedes 1880
George Constable and James Lowder, labourers, of Earlswood charged with cutting underwood 1885
James Lowder at Earlswood (near Redhill) bravely pulling a Frederik W Young from a lake 1895
A young boy Thomas Lowder in court for cutting down a tree to make darts 1888
Flora Lowder being assaulted by a man and losing a case 1889
Thomas Collins, Daniel Ayres, in Groveroad with  ? Lowder in 1900 fighting
Thomas Lowder, a tramp, of no fixed abode 1901