Looking for Kirwan townland in County Wexford circa 1853

[Sinann]

Wexford is a fairly small parish, in comparison to most.
https://www.johngrenham.com/places/civil_in_rc.php?churchid=0610&county=&church_name=Wexford
There is a Flour Mill in St. Michaels of Feagh for example on the 1837 to 1842 map and plenty of houses that would have needed a gardener, outside the old town walls but near enough to work there and live in the town.

[oldohiohome]

Here are the two boys named Francis:

Diocese Ferns, Parish: Wexford
23 August 1848
Francis
sponsors: John and Ellen Furlong

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634138#page/149/mode/1up

Diocese Ferns, Parish: Wexford
8 June 1850
Francis
sponsors: Eleanor Furlong

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634138#page/177/mode/1up

It tells you they wanted a son named Francis. Were either of their fathers named Francis? Or maybe a brother. It also looks like Ellen/Eleanor Furlong was a sponsor for both. Was she one of their sisters? Can you find Furlong births in the area after 1865 with an Eleanor, maiden name Cloak or Kirwan?

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Here is the only Patrick Kirwan, b 1853, that I could find, and the mother's maiden name was Poor, not Cloak. So if this is the one you found, you can throw out John Hogan as a lead.

Diocese Ferns, Parish: Wexford
Patt Kirwan baptized 22 December 1853
mother was Mary Poor, not Cloak
sponsor: John Hogan and Mary Whitty

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634139#page/33/mode/1up

[oldohiohome]

According to Grenham's site, the spelling Cloak and Kirwan only occur together in Wexford in Killinick and Edermine Parishes. For Cloake and Kirwan, only in Monart Parish. I didn't do variations of Kirwan. Should have.

I should have mentioned that this only works if both bride and groom lived in the same civil Parish. Martin Kirwan and Mary Cloak might not have been.

My family in Co Down often married brides from the next parish over, where the (Catholic) parish records were a lot less available

[oldohiohome]

mrk's post at irelandxo.com

https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/searching-kirwan-cloak-hogan-and-power-families

and a thread there as well:
https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/message-board/searching-kirwan-cloak-hogan-and-power-families

which included this interesting information: " my grandfather, Patrick Kerwin (1889-1963), the eldest son of Patrick (1853-1898) went on to become the 10th Chief Justice of Canada."

The post included a link to Martin Kirwan and Mary Cloak Hogan's marriage:
https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000634137_075

@mrk
I think the surname of Raphael, witness at the marriage, is Burne. Your guess is as good as mine on the surname of the "maid of honor" Mary, but Synott looks as good as any.

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Children born in Canada were children were: Martin (1856), John (1854 or 1857), James (1858), Joseph (1860), Peter (1862), and Mary (1865).

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Cross-referencing Cloak + Kirwan on Griffith's might not have been too helpful. Knowing now that Mary's mother remarried a Hogan, looking for Kirwan+Hogan might be better.

[oldohiohome]

There is a Dean Thadeus T Kirwan, Catholic priest, in the area by 1849. Is he a relative, and is he why Martin came to this area? If so, was he from Wexford, etc? I can't find him on any census, just these histories. I was hoping someone had written a biography of him somewhere.

"By 1849 Dean Thadeus T. Kirwan of London also ministered on horseback to the Catholics of the Warwick area. He continued in this manner until 1864, even after he was transferred to Sarnia. The earliest record of his visiting “Warwick Town” was on November 24, 1849, when he baptized a child. It was probably he who oversaw the 1850 grant of land to the Roman Catholic Corporation of Sandwich."

https://www.lambtonmuseums.ca/warwick_pages/churches-cemeteries/

In 1856 Sarnia became detached from the other missions receiving a pastor of its own for the first time. He was the Very Rev. Dean Kirwan.
 
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~wjmartin/rcpriest.htm

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/pinsoneault_pierre_adolphe_11E.html

[oldohiohome]

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Cross-referencing Cloak + Kirwan on Griffith's might not have been too helpful. Knowing now that Mary's mother remarried a Hogan, looking for Kirwan+Hogan might be better.

Kirwan and Hogan occur together in too many places to be helpful. For what it is worth, Cloak and Hogan only occur together in Drinagh Parish

[Wexflyer]

The post included a link to Martin Kirwan and Mary Cloak Hogan's marriage:
https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000634137_075

@mrk
I think the surname of Raphael, witness at the marriage, is Burne. Your guess is as good as mine on the surname of the "maid of honor" Mary, but Synott looks as good as any.

The marriage was 9th August, 1848, between Martin Kirwan and Mary Cloake. The is no mention at all of Hogan. Witnesses were Mary Synnott and Raphael Byrne.

Where did "Hogan" come from?

[Wexflyer]

Thanks for your reply.

The issue for me is that I do not know if Martin Kirwan lived in Wexford Town itself or outside of the town. Martin was a market gardener in Canada. According to information provided by a son in the mid 1890s, "Martin and Mary (Hogan) Kerwin [were] natives of Wexford, Ireland... . Martin Kerwin, Sr., followed the occupations of miller and gardener all his life." This would seem to indicate that Martin did not live in Wexford Town.

In any event, what I am trying to discover is where Martin was born and where he lived prior to immigrating to Canada sometime between 1854-1856.

Whoa! So many issues here!

In your original posting you told us your g...grandfather was Patrick Kirwan, son of Martin Kirwan and Mary Cloak/Cloake, baptized Wexford 1853.
But at this point we know that:
- There was a Martin Kirwan and Mary CLOAK in Wexford at this time, but
- The Patrick Kirwan baptized in 1853 is recorded as the son of Martin and Mary POOR (as already pointed out by OldOhio).
- Your family history says the mother was neither Cloak, nor Poor, but HOGAN.

So, three different surnames, and no consistency with the records!

At this point I would ask: Is it clear that your Kirwans were really from Wexford town, or just generically the county. I would not be sure at this point.

[Wexflyer]

What is the mother's surname on the births in Canada? Given the discrepancies in Ireland, this is critical. Same name on all records in Canada?