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Ada Isabella and Henry Briscoe Willis
« on: Saturday 05 October 19 18:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Ada Isabella Wiilis was born on Alderney on 19th November 1830, of John and Mary Frances Willis.  She never married, but had a son, Henry Briscoe Willis on Alderney 31st March 1862.  The father was listed as Henry Briscoe Captain RA.  There would have been garrison troops on the island at this time. She died in 1915 in Alderney.

I have  found a Henry Briscoe Gunner RM Artillery, who pops up in the UK 1861 Census for Portsea Portsmouth.  I also found through an auction house site a Captain Henry William Briscoe RA of around 1856.  I am trying to work out if these are one and the same Henry Briscoe.

John Willis


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Re: Ada Isabella and Henry Briscoe Willis
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 06 October 19 06:40 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

Is this the Auction site you mention?
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ogw/

I think that site has presumed the RA man H W BRISCOE's   middle name to be William it references this only once I think in the title credits.  In fact, it appears his middle name is "Whitby" - more on this site (and expand and read the comments section, which identifies the Whitby).

https://blog.ha.com/2014/05/captain-briscoes-story-letters-from-the-crimean-war/

In the letters (that are part of the lot in auction), HW Briscoe makes reference to Tybroughney Bogs - Tybroughney is in Kilkenny Ireland - when talking to his mother, whom he addressed as "Mammy". So, clues there to an Irish background.

His Service records show a service history & medal match for the items in the Auction lot.

He is Henry Whitby Briscoe, born 6th March 1836, Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary
He was a 2nd Lt, than a 2nd Captain to a 1st Captain in the RA up to 1871.
From Jan 1861 to Jan 1861, he was in China.
He married Caroline Anne Smyth in St Leonards, 13 Jan 1864 and had issue:
* Henry Arthur Whitby BRISCOE, 12 Oct 1866, Woolwich
* Edith Caroline BRISCOE, 15 Mar 1865 St Pancras
* Mabel Alice BRISCOE 31 Jan 1869,
* Margaret BRISCOE, 31 Jan 1869
* Amy Georgiana BRISCOE 17 DEc 1870

So not the same man as in the 1861 Census Portea who is, briefly:

1861: 4 Blenheim Street, Portsea
Henry Briscoe 39, Gunner Royal Artillery, b Long Crandon, Buckingham
Wife: Ellen 32, b Portsea Hants and issue all born Portsea:
Ellen 12
Henry 8
Susan 7
Benjamin 5
Joseph 4
John 3
Caroline 1

Do you have one of these two men in mind as the father of Ada's son?

On balance, I'd probably be inclined to see if Henry Whitby Briscoe can be put in Alderney at the appropriate time - that's if conception occurred there, of course.... where was Ada in 1861?

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Re: Ada Isabella and Henry Briscoe Willis
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 06 October 19 12:12 BST (UK) »
Hello Ambly,

that's very interesting thank you very much.

Yes I am trying to establish the Henry Briscoe, father of Ada's son.  I can confirm that Ada was living in Victoria Street, Alderney, at the April 1861 census and each census thereafter up to her death in 1915.  As her son Henry Briscoe was born 31/03/1862, she must have been pregnant in or after June 1861 and the father is definitely listed as Henry Briscoe Captain RA...

Was 'your' Capt Briscoe back from China by then?

JMW