Frederick hurley

[Jo Harding]

There is a report in the  Bristol Times and Mirror which covers trials in Bristol Police Court. One dated 23 March 1867 reads, "Thomas Hanley was charged with stealing a piece of beef worth 9s, the property of James Hurley, butcher of Lawrence Hill, Clarence Road, St Phillips on Saturday night. A young man named Pope saw the man take the meat from the counter and run off and he with Frederick Hurley, went after him and secured him, finding the meat in his possession. He pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 6 weeks hard labour".

James Hurley bc1827 can be found n census returns in Bristol as a Butcher. Frederick Hurley was in Bristol and a Baker. There are other press reports which mention Frederick Hurley, Baker, in Bristol.

Jo.

[philrmoon]

Hi my interest

Is that the hurley family are my wife's relatives

Regards Phil

[Jo Harding]

The name variants for Hurley/Hurle etc are very numerous and often names that you wouldn't believe could be derived from these. I have one of these in my family and it is a nightmare trying to fathom all the possible variants. The name is common in Somerset and in some areas especially.

You also find the names Hurley and Hurle in Dorset, plus Devon. I have been told that Hurley is of Irish origins but there are some English ones as well. Hurle tends to be from the villages round the Mendips in Somerset but they can be found in Dorset and a few other areas in the west country.

It is often shown as Hurdle, Hurdell, Hearle and so on in the early registers. You have to bear in mind that in the old days it was all phonetic. Having a Somerset accent would have made the name sound very different in those days, so there are many variants we have to contend with.

Jo

[philrmoon]

Thanks joe

For all the information

I think going by research

Frederick's father came from cannington Somerset  b 1795 ( with whatever spelling  )

Regards Phil

[keyboard86]

Thanks joe

For all the information

I think going by research

Frederick's father came from cannington Somerset  b 1795 ( with whatever spelling  )

Regards Phil

Hi as John is shown as not born in county in 1841, and at present we cannot locate him in 1851 and the deaths in Bridgwater 1841/2 are for much younger Johns, how do you know of him being born Cannington?

The John Hurley baptised 1795 Cannington was buried 21st July 1839 St Mary the Blessed Virgin Cannlngton aged 45.
Keyboard86

[Jo Harding]

The information on John Hurley baptised in Cannington, Somerset, has come from a Family Tree on Ancestry. There are a couple of trees for Frederick Hurley baptised in Woolavington, 1836 and one of these has his father as John Hurley, baptised 1795 in Cannington.

I agree this is unlikely to be correct in view of the entries on the 1841 census. The question is where was he born?

The two people by the names of Frederick Hurley and John Hurley that we have in the 1841 census returns look to be the right ones. That means neither John Hurley, nor James Hurley (whatever the relationship) were not born in Somerset.

Jo.

[keyboard86]

OK going back to post 27, in 1861 for whatever reason James Hurley has been transcribed as George Hurlow 35 occ Butcher b Devon with wife Anna 30 b Somerset and daughter Ellen 8 months b Bristol
On original their is also on same street what looks like a Frederick Hurley occ Baker, but much older than the Frederick aged 5 in 1841.
Census ref RG09/1735/107/28
Children of James Hurley the Butcher have mmn Day, marriage?

Ellen Hurley baptised 30th September 1860 born 23rd July 1860 Bristol
Father James Mother Anna
Keyboard86

[philrmoon]

Hi thanks for all the trouble

Seems the John Hurley b 1795

The son of Richard Hurley  and  lemina melissa phippen

John had a son frederick b

Frederick Hurley was an apprentice baker

1841 census says he was a lodger with another family

Perhaps his parents or one of them died by 1841

Bit of a headache this search ??

Regards Phil

[keyboard86]

  Hi if you read all replies, the John Hurley 45 in 1841 was not born in Somerset, the Cannington John died 1839 Cannington?
Keyboard86