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My 2nd great grandfather was Paul Paulsen, born 4th October 1819 in Christiana, Norway and died on 25th May 1884.
Here's a link to Paul's birth/baptism record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/683/4319/6
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"Gift kone [space]Johnsdatter Anne [?Paulsen?] med sin ægtemand [unsure, occupation perhaps?]; Ole Paulsen; [Married wife Anne Johnsdatter with her husband [overconstabel?] Ole Paulsen]"
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So Paul's parents were Ole Paulsen and Anne Johnsdatter. I believe they were married on 23rd April 1819 in Aker, Akershus, Norway.
I don't have any more info about Ole and Anne. Can anybody help please. Can they be located in the 1801 Census? When and where did they die?
Thanks
Richard  :)
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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 06:04 BST (UK) »
A stab in the dark for 1801 (there are possibilities in other municipailties):

Municipality: Kristiania
Name of domicile: Vognmandsgaden1

Name ; Family status ; Marital status ; Occupation ; Birth year
Gunder Brandval ; Huusbonde ; Enkemand efter første egteskab ; Høker ; 1737
Hans Gunnersen ; Hans søn ; Ugift ; Arbeidskarl ; 1770
Johanne Brandval ; Hans datter ; Ugift ;  ; 1780
Paul Olsen ; Husbonde ; Begge i første egteskab ; Under constabel ved 11de comp. ; 1768
Anne Olsdatter ; Hans kone ; Begge i første egteskab ;  ; 1761
Ole Paulsen ; Deres søn ;  ;  ; 1796

https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58232/119?indexing=

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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 06:27 BST (UK) »
Maybe not, because does it say that he is 30 on the marriage certificate?:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/757/4702/42

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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 08:42 BST (UK) »
My 2nd great grandfather was Paul Paulsen, born 4th October 1819 in Christiana, Norway and died on 25th May 1884.
Here's a link to Paul's birth/baptism record: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/683/4319/6
 8)
"Gift kone [space]Johnsdatter Anne [?Paulsen?] med sin ægtemand [unsure, occupation perhaps?]; Ole Paulsen; [Married wife Anne Johnsdatter with her husband [overconstabel?] Ole Paulsen]"
**
So Paul's parents were Ole Paulsen and Anne Johnsdatter. I believe they were married on 23rd April 1819 in Aker, Akershus, Norway.
I don't have any more info about Ole and Anne. Can anybody help please. Can they be located in the 1801 Census? When and where did they die?
Thanks
Richard  :)
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I am a little confused - not really au fait with Norwegian records
why does Paul Paulsen - father Ole Paulsen / mother Anne Johnsdatter - become Paul Oleson ?

or - is he baptised Paul Oleson Paulsen ??
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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 09:34 BST (UK) »

"Gift kone [space]Johnsdatter Anne [?Paulsen?] med sin ægtemand [unsure, occupation perhaps?]


I'm pretty sure it says underconstabel.

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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 11:13 BST (UK) »

I don't have any more info about Ole and Anne. Can anybody help please. Can they be located in the 1801 Census? When and where did they die?


Not an easy task unfortunately.
Here are 2 records I found which don't really help:

Ole and Anne's bann record:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7712/101275/92 - bottom right

Child Johan's birth:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/7388/37563/126 - bottom left


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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 12:19 BST (UK) »
I am a little confused - not really au fait with Norwegian records
why does Paul Paulsen - father Ole Paulsen / mother Anne Johnsdatter - become Paul Oleson ?
or - is he baptised Paul Oleson Paulsen ??
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4YZ-3J4


Like various other countries , Norway would have generally used patronyms i.e. if "rkive82" definitely picked the correct parents, Paul would have been identified as "Ole's son" (i. e. a patronym).
However at some time, Paul seems to have decided to take Paulsen as his family name ( at least before the 1865 census?).
NB It wasn't until 1923 that Norway made it mandatory to have a hereditary last name (while e.g. the Netherlands had done this in abt 1811 because of Napoleon)

some sources that might be useful:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_family_name_etymology
http://dgmweb.net/Ancillary/OnE/Patronyms.html


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Re: I seek more info re parents of Paul Paulsen b 1819 died 1884 Trondheim, Norway
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 09 October 19 13:25 BST (UK) »
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Census year: 1801
Municipality: Asker
Name of domicile: Dehli
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Paul Aslachsen  ;  Mand  ;  Huusmand med jord  ;  1745
Marte Mortensdatter  ;  Hans kone  ;    ;  1753
Aslach Paulsen  ;  Hans søn  ;  Hjemme  ;  1785
Morten Paulsen  ;  Hans søn  ;  Hjemme  ;  1792
Ole Paulsen  ;  Hans søn  ;    ;  1789
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