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Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« on: Thursday 17 October 19 11:18 BST (UK) »
I'm new to this forum so please bear with me.  I have been searching for a Francis Smith b1874 Portaferry for a long time.  He is 1x gr grandfather of my husband and family story was he drowned in Belfast Lough no specific date known.  Well after a lot of research and I have to say a massive piece of luck I have found his death.  Previously I had been unable to find either a birth or death for him and even though I built up a picture from those of his family I did find, I searched extensively in old news papers usual places etc, nothing.  The only evidence of his death was on his premature baby son's birth and subsequent death cert that Francis Smith was "deceased seaman".
I found an article in the Liverpool Echo May 5th 1902 entitled "A Captain Drowned in a Liverpool Dock"  I had found my Francis Smith, Captain of the schooner "Mary Ann" who had fallen in and drowned.  His body was taken to the "Princes Dock Mortuary pending the inquest".  It also states his remains  would arrive in Belfast on the Wed morning Liverpool steamer and will be conveyed to his home for interment.  He leaves a wife and small family (2 young daughters). His death was registered in Liverpool 8b 35, but how do I get a note of the inquest report or indeed find where he was buried.  I have ordered a copy of the death cert and contacted Belfast City Council regarding a burial but nothing.  While he was living with his family in Belfast, he was originally from Portaferry so I tried there also, nothing.  Where do I go from here!?

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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 October 19 11:38 BST (UK) »
I may be looking at a different Echo report but it gives his address as Shaw Street, Portaferry.
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 October 19 11:54 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat

You can buy a copy of his death cert using the reference you found but the death was probably reported by the coroner so won’t give many additional details.  The full inquest / coroners details will be held at Liverpool Records Office.  You could email them to check and see if they could send you a copy

https://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries/archives-family-history/
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 17 October 19 12:51 BST (UK) »
There’s no requirement in the UK to record where someone is buried so tracing a grave can be tricky. I would check the Belfast Newspapers, particularly the Belfast Newsletter to see if there is a funeral notice, indicating where he was to be buried.
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 October 19 07:52 BST (UK) »
I haven't a clue if this is of any use to you - but on www.lancashirebmd.org.uk Francis Smith death in 1902 is registered in St Thomas ?? age 28

SMITH   Francis   28   1902   St. Thomas   Liverpool    STT/96/13

does anyone know what this means ?   was  St Thomas an area of Liverpool in 1902 - because I have lived in Liverpool all my life - 68 years - and I have never heard of a district in Liverpool named St Thomas - I presume it is a church in City Centre ??   I am baffled - any info gratefully accepted  :)
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 October 19 08:04 BST (UK) »
This is why you haven't heard of St Thomas's parish area Elwyn

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-Central/stthomas/index.html
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 October 19 08:07 BST (UK) »
Thanks Medpat - Park Lane area - back of Chinatown - great Community in that area - didn't know that - learnt something new now so worth posting   thanks again
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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 October 19 09:34 BST (UK) »
Place of burial depends on several factors such as religion and place of origin.
If Church of Ireland then check local Church of Ireland burials (may not be online); if Presbyterian then check both COI and Presbyterian churches (most Presbyterian churches don't keep burial records but there may be a headstone). If Catholic then check for headstone at local Catholic church.
There was also a Methodist Church in Portaferry-
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT1901OP.htm
However, if Francis was from somewhere outside Portaferry he could be buried in a family plot there.

Irish News & Belfast Morning News, 6 May 1902: County Skipper Browned Liverpool. Captain Smith, of Portaferry, master of the schooner Mary Ann, belonging to Mr. Elliott, that place, was accidentally drowned at Liverpool Saturday …

I may be looking at a different Echo report but it gives his address as Shaw Street, Portaferry.
Not sure that there was a Shaw Street in Portaferry  :-\ and I can't see a Shaw St. listed in 1901 Belfast directory  :-\

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Re: Liverpool Inquest/Belfast Burial?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 October 19 09:38 BST (UK) »
Heather-
Have you found Francis Smith and/or wife in 1901 census?
What are the details for birth of stillborn son?
Have you found marriage? what was his wife's name?
Details of daughters' births?

Answers to the above questions will help us search further to find information for you.
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