Gateshead, Bishop Aukland, Durham

[Eyorepet]

Wow Boo, you have been working hard, thank you, I did have some of those details. Oh and just to confirm my Dad Donald John Thorpe was indeed registered in Jan 1933 😊
Thinking about my granddad John I thought he was separated from his Mum and her family but I have found a relative that remembers him when she was a child. She is the granddaughter of Johns step brother Harry Harwood and so they must have been all quite friendly.

[Girl Guide]

You might like to consider getting a record of John's military service.  Here is the website that tells you how to apply.  When I did this a couple of years ago it cost £30. 

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records

[Tickettyboo]

I think we can eliminate your Grandad, John William Thorpe being with close relatives of his mother, Mary Beatrice, in 1911.

Mary Beatrice's parents were William Thorpe and Mary Bowman
Marriage 04 Mar 1866, Newcastle All Saints
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLRN-NH3C

They had at least 3 other children, siblings to Mary Beatrice
Births 1866 Q4, Tynemouth District  William Henry, mmn Bowman
Births 1869 Q2, Carlisle District,  Jane Ellen, mmn Bowman
Births 1874 Q3 , Newcastle District, Margaret. mmn Bowman

Mary Thorpe (nee Bowman) died in 1902, aged 54
Newcastle Evening Chronicle 04 August 1902
page 2, col 1
THORPE Gateshead 25 North Tyne Street on 2nd inst. aged 54, Mary the dearly beloved wife of William Thorpe. Interment on Wednesday at Gateshead Cemetery; to lift at 3.15pm. Friends kindly invited.
Burial Register Gateshead East 6th August 1902:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-H9LQ-H?i=338&cat=825277

1911 William Thorpe (Mary Beatrice's Dad)  was recorded in Darlington  - John William not with him
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWHC-L8N

1911 William Henry (Mary Beatrice's brother) and his family - John William not with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCJ-WBF

1911 Jane Ellen (Mary Beatrice's sister) and family - John William not with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMQ-GDZ

1911 Margaret (Mary Beatrice's sister) and family - John William not with them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM6-S23Ja

So not with immediate family :-( There is a chance he was with a friend and has been mistakenly entered on the census return as if he was part of their family.
Best suggestion I can come up with to try to learn more is, if possible, visit Tyne and Wear Archives and look at the records for the workhouse in Newcastle. (their opening times are quite restricted so do check first)
 Hopefully they will tell you where Mary Beatrice had been living when she was admitted and the reason she was in the hospital. The archives staff may be able to advise where, if John William had been in the care of the authorities rather than with a friend or relative, you may look to try to find  a record for him.
Let us know when you get Granda's birth cert and tell us where he was born, that may give some clues.
Really sorry not to have found him, I couldn't find my Granda in 1911 either and as he was the very first person I searched for when it was released it drove me crazy! He was born in 1885 and, quite by chance, many years later I discovered he had gone to Canada for about 18 months! Quite why he'd never mentioned that when I was young remains a mystery.

Good luck with the searches, its great you have contact with extended family.

Boo

[Eyorepet]

Thanks Boo, you have helped a great deal. Unfortunately I live in Basingstoke, Hampshire so the chances of getting to Tyne and Wear are slim but I could try emailing I guess.
Will be in touch when the certificate comes through.

[Eyorepet]

Thanks for that suggestion but unfortunately I am not next of kin and my grandfather died just 14 years ago. I will wait for his birth certificate and see what if that tells us anything, thanks for your help.

[Tickettyboo]

Tyne and Wear Archives will charge for looking these records up for you, last I heard this would cost approx £30. Given that its a long shot it may provide further info about John William though obviously would be interesting to see IF there is any info about Mary Beatrice, you'd have to weigh the cost against any possible benefit.
As these records are not online TWAS is the only source but we all have budgets to stick to.

Boo

[Eyorepet]

Having got this far it seems a shame  to just give up. £30 isn't too bad and I think if the birth certificate doesn't help I might just have to give it a go .
Watch this space 😁😁

[River Tyne Lass]

I will have my next work rota in a couple of weeks and then I might be able to see if I have some time to fit in with the archives opening hours to look up the workhouse admittance and discharge. - If you can wait a few weeks, perhaps?

If you are willing to wait and would like me to try to find workhouse entries could you post anything else that you might think might aid a search.  Such as the time period when admittance/discharge may have occurred, etc.  This might save on the number of volumes I might need to request out.

I presume the Elswick workhouse is the 'Newcastle Workhouse'?

[Eyorepet]

Hello, yes Elswick was the workhouse in Westgate I think. I have found the entry for Mary Beatrice on the 1911 census but am unable to find any other reference to it, e.g. When she was admitted/left and what happened to John William her son. I believe when she was in there she had a daughter called Margaret. I would be extremely grateful for anything you can come up with.