Gateshead, Bishop Aukland, Durham

[Eyorepet]

With regards to the Criterion, it was in Newgate Street possibly number 12 or 24? I do know the whole road was renumbered so not too sure on that. I see you have a record for 1931 is that just something you have access to? I wanted to know who was there because my father was born there in Nov 1932 and his Mother Hilda Thorpe was living there although her my grandad was in the army. If her parents were actually managing the Criterion then it would all make sense, thank you.

[Tickettyboo]

The Criterion Hotel doesn't have a street number listed on the electoral register, but seems to have been at number 128 Newgate street. If you have access to the 1939 register you should see it listed on there if you search for the address (though a free search shows that the people on that 1931 Electoral Register were not still there - again we aren't allowed to do lookups in here on the commercial sites  for the 1939 register)

There are some electoral registers available on FindMyPast, this one included. The four names I posted were the only ones listed at the Criterion on the 1931 register. That register would have been compiled in about June 1931. She may not have been listed as either she wasn't living there at that time OR she was not yet old enough to vote (you had to be 21 and over back then).

Before we get confused, as it appears you were trying to establish if the licensee was perhaps your G Grandad, I can see the following in FreeBMD which are a 'possible' scenario.
Marriage in Q1 1904, Auckland District for a William Robert  Young and a Rosina Ryder (names match the couple on the electoral register)

Birth Q4 1914, Auckland District, Hilda Young (mother's maiden name Ryder) - IF she is your Granny, then she wouldn't have been able to vote till 1935 so that could explain why she's not on the electoral register

Marriage Q2 1932 Auckland District John W Thorpe and Hilda Young.
Does that agree with what you know? Is it 'that' John W Thorpe who was your Grandad, whose early life you are trying to find out about?

As you haven't said if your Dad is  still alive or not, I cant post about him or his potential birth registration. In Rootschat we are not allowed to discuss anyone who may still be alive.

If what I have found is right then we can concentrate on trying to possibly find out more about your Grandad John William Thorpe's early life.

Boo

[Eyorepet]

Hi Boo, yes that is all completely right    I am so happy to finally be able to see it in black and white, it all falls into place. Rosina was my great grandmother that we affectionately called Big Nana because she was very large 😁 She died when I was 17. My father Donald Thorpe died in 2004. One mystery solved ( I am buzzing, so thank you for that 😁) so maybe we can find out where my granddad John was for 19 years 😊

[Tickettyboo]

pleased it helps. Your instincts were good to ask about the Criterion. This is where Rootschat is invaluable, even when we get stuck someone may know of another way to find the info. We 'all; get stuck at one time or another.

I can now add to the BMD Registrations.

Birth Q1 1933, Auckland District, Donald J Thorpe, mother's maiden name Young

So we now seem to be back to your Grandad John, will have a firkle round for him and see if I can come up with anything.

Boo

[Eyorepet]

Thank you 😊 Donald Thorpe was born 1932

[Tickettyboo]

You said he was born in November 1932, we always need to bear in mind you officially had six weeks in which to register a birth, so a birth in the last quarter of one year may not have been registered till the first quarter of the following year.

Boo

[Girl Guide]

John William Thorpe signed up to the Royal Tank Corps on 18th October 1927 age 19 years and 7 days

Next of kin listed as mother M. Harwood 45 Milling Street Gateshead on Tyne.  He was a stoker at the time of enlistment.

Various dates mentioned the last one being Disch(arged) RASC 1957 (Royal Army Service Corps).

[Girl Guide]

Mary did indeed marry in 1912

Marriages Sep 1912   
Harwood    Harry    Thorpe    Newcastle T.    10b   18    
Thorpe    Mary B    Harwood    Newcastle T.    10b   18

[Tickettyboo]

Still not finding John William in 1911, though I am intrigued as his service entry in the Tank Regiment in 1927 gives his mother as his next of kin. Did your Grandad, ever talk to your Dad or other family members about his early years? Perhaps he was only temporarily separated from his mother, maybe while she was a patient in the workhouse in Elswick in 1911?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMH-L52
Doesn't explain why I can't pinpoint him in 1911,  though.

From what I can see in the records Mary Beatrice was the child of William Thorpe, a book binder and his wife Mary
Born 21 Aug 1888, Baptised 26 Sept 1888 at St James, Gateshead
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2YQ-778

Her birth (according to the GRO site which gives mother's maiden name prior to 1911) was registered in Gateshead Q3 1888, mother's maiden name Bowman

She married Henry Alfred (Harry) Harwood in Q3 1912 - as Girl Guide has posted.
Two possible children of this marriage Doris S, born 1913, Newcastle and Harry I, born 1915, Gateshead

Her husband died in 1959
Newcastle Evening Chronicle 30 Nov 1959, page 15 col 2
HARWOOD Gateshead 45 Milling Street in hospital on Nov 26 aged 77 years Henry Alfred dearly loved husband of Mary Beatrice, Interment Saltwell Cemetery on Tuesday 3.15 pm. leaving residence 2.45 pm. Funeral private.
Saltwell Cemetery Index entry shows he was buried in Division 4 Grave 4417 on 1st December 1959.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G96W-KS68?i=92&cat=825084

Mary Beatrice died in 1966
Newcastle Evening Chronicle 18 Feb 1966, page 4, col 2
HARWOOD Gateshead late of Millington Street, Feb 14 aged 77 years, Mary Beatrice dearly loved wife of the late Henry Alfred. Was interred today Saltwell Cemetery.

Saltwell Cemetery index shows ahe was buried in Division 4, Grave 4548 on 18th Feb 1966
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-996W-KSDH?i=95&cat=825084

I'll have a look at Mary Beatrice's parents and siblings tomorrow, maybe he was with a relative in 1911, perhaps mistranscribed ?

Boo