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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 19 October 19 10:24 BST (UK) »
The shirt matches but the hat doesn't. That is what I can't figure out. And the WWII era hat was the same as WWI, so if Joseph was in the US 1923 - 1930, then he should have the same hat.
Maybe he was in training. I don't know enough about that to say and I googled that but didn't find anything that helped.

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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 19 October 19 10:50 BST (UK) »
The shirt matches but the hat doesn't. That is what I can't figure out. And the WWII era hat was the same as WWI, so if Joseph was in the US 1923 - 1930, then he should have the same hat.
Maybe he was in training. I don't know enough about that to say and I googled that but didn't find anything that helped.

The hats do match, it is just the way they are worn and the angles of the photos that confuse the issue.
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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 19 October 19 13:40 BST (UK) »
It appears to my eyes, he is wearing a “silk” (like RN ratings uniform) under the blue-denim 3-striped collar. Did the USN use “silks”? A thought springs to mind; US Coastguard perhaps?
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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 19 October 19 13:56 BST (UK) »
Must be U.S. Navy surely. 
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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 19 October 19 19:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks to all for your messages.

A number of you have made reference to the 'Cracker Jack Dixie Cup Military Cap' including a link to Humphrey Bogart wearing such a cap.

To me looking at several images of such a cap, it appears to me that this Cracker Jack Cap has a wide brim completely around the the circumference and this brim points upwards (see the photo I have attached). This is very different from the hat being worn by Joseph Audley in my original message

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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 20 October 19 03:14 BST (UK) »
 Agree that the cap worn by Joseph Audley in the first image differs from your second image.
 Perhaps there are U.S. navy records you could check for a possible enlistment 1923-30 or look
 at navy records for his country of origin.  The photo could date from an earlier period unless there
 is a  photographer/studio mark on the photo which identifies it as U.S.A in origin.  It could possibly
 be a costume ???
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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 20 October 19 07:19 BST (UK) »
Would say that Joseph Audley is wearing a Dixie Cup Hat:

"the sailors who wore them as they could bend the cover to reflect their individual personality"

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-the-history-behind-the-navys-dixie-cup

The link above also describes the USN "Donald Duck" flat hat, this was the hat with the ships name headband which was discontinued in 1941.

In the famous photo below the sailor has fashioned his hat similar to Joseph Audley:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/19/sailor-iconic-times-square-kissing-photo-end-second-world-war/

The jumper, collar and silk that Joseph Audley is wearing is consistent with US Navy.
The blue of the collar is a similar shade to the jumper.


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Re: Joseph Audley in possibly a US Naval Uniform
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 20 October 19 14:08 BST (UK) »
All,
Many thanks for all your replies.
At the moment I am with aus*jen as I do not see how Joseph Audley can be wearing a Dixie hat.

Does anyone know of a website that has  comprehensive collection of US naval records.
All I know about Joseph Audley is that he arrived in New York in November 1923. He is recorded in the 1930 US Federal Census in Boston as Joseph Adley (yes Adley) an elevator operator. His death registration later in 1930 records him as Joseph Audley an elevator operator.
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