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Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK
« on: Sunday 20 October 19 07:48 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I'm new to rootschat.com so please bear with me! My great-grandfather was Harry Rundle, born in Luton, Bedfordshire, UK in/around 1874. He was in the South Staffordshire Regiment in the British Army. He married Beatrice Mallett on 4th November 1893 (parish church of St David's?) in Cornwall, UK. Beatrice Mallett was born in/around 1876 in Penryn, Cornwall, UK & her occupation was that of a tailoress. Harry & Beatrice's registered address at the time of their marriage was Helston Road, Penryn, Cornwall, UK. They had 2 children, both girls, & both were born in Falmouth, Cornwall, UK. Jane Ann Rundle was born on 15th February 1902, & Gwendoline Rundle was born on 21st July 1904. It's interesting to note that their first child wasn't born until 9 years after their marriage, quite possibly due to Harry's service in the Army. I have no other details at this time regarding Harry & Beatrice's relationship, their children, descendants of their children, etc.

However, my research into my great-grandfather has shown that there was another marriage, between Harry Rundle & Alice Maud Butler, at a registry office in Weymouth, Dorset, UK, on 22nd November 1899. There were 5 children, 3 boys & 2 girls. Their details are as follows: Henry Charles Rundle born 6th January(?) 1902, Portland, Cornwall, UK; Albert Edward Rundle born 22nd September 1903, Kings Norton, Birmingham, UK; Edith Ellen Marie Rundle born 29th October 1906, Kings Norton, Birmingham, UK; Leslie Clarence King Rundle born 25th March 1908; Balsall Heath, Birmingham, UK; Nellie Louisa Rundle born 20th November 1910, Balsall Heath, Birmingham, UK.

As a result of 2 marriages, although 6 years apart, there were 2 children both born in 1902!!

Any other information regarding Harry & Beatrice/Harry & Alice would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks!

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 October 19 08:04 BST (UK) »
Welcome to rootschat


However, my research into my great-grandfather has shown that there was another marriage, between Harry Rundle & Alice Maud Butler, at a registry office in Weymouth, Dorset, UK, on 22nd November 1899. There were 5 children, 3 boys & 2 girls. Their details are as follows: Henry Charles Rundle born 6th January(?) 1902, Portland, Cornwall, UK; Albert Edward Rundle born 22nd September 1903, Kings Norton, Birmingham, UK; Edith Ellen Marie Rundle born 29th October 1906, Kings Norton, Birmingham, UK; Leslie Clarence King Rundle born 25th March 1908; Balsall Heath, Birmingham, UK; Nellie Louisa Rundle born 20th November 1910, Balsall Heath, Birmingham, UK.


Do you have the birth certificates for these children.

OK I have found some of them surname Rumble, not Rundle  :) . Family are listed as Rumble on the next census

Births Jun qtr 1908 
Rumble    Leslie Clarence K       
King's N.    6c   431
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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 October 19 08:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie99, cute picture by the way.... :) Thanks for the info, anything further would be much appreciated!


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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:04 BST (UK) »
Henry Charles Rumble was born in Dorset, not Cornwall ;D

From FreeBMD:

Birth, March qtr 1902
Weymouth Registration District     vol 5a, page 296
Rumble, Henry Charles

Portland, with it's Naval Base, comes under the auspices of Weymouth Registration District.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:19 BST (UK) »
In 1911 Harry is with Alice in Birmingham and using the name Rumble. They have 5 children. There  was another one who died. Beatrice Rundle is in Falmouth with her 6 children, all born Falmouth. She states that she is married but has no husband with her. The six children are
William Frederick 1894
Beatrice Mary 1895
Lily Edith 1897
Ida Maud 1899
Jane Ann 1902
Gwendoline 1904
All registered with mmn Mallett

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:35 BST (UK) »



 . . . . .and some of the female refs to help prove Emeltom's finding     ???

   RUNDLE, BEATRICE  MARY       ( mmn Mallett )     
 GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in FALMOUTH  Volume 05C  Page 154
      RUNDLE, LILY  EDITH       ( mmn Mallett )     
 GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in FALMOUTH  Volume 05C  Page 150 
 
    RUNDLE, IDA  MAUD       ( mmn Mallett )     
 GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in FALMOUTH  Volume 05C  Page 151
    RUNDLE, JANE  ANN       ( mmn Mallett )     
 GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in FALMOUTH  Volume 05C  Page 142
    RUNDLE, GWENDOLINE         ( mmn Mallett )     
 GRO Reference: 1904  S Quarter in FALMOUTH  Volume 05C  Page 144
   
 
 
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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:39 BST (UK) »
Marriage at St Gluvias, 4th November 1893
Henry Rundle, 20, Blacksmith, Bachelor, father Henry (a sailor)
Beatrice Mallett, 19, Spinster, father John (a Labourer)

Both bride and groom were residing at Penryn.
These days St Gluvias is a suburb of Penryn.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:49 BST (UK) »
In the 1901 Census the family are in Penryn
Harry Rundle 29 Blacksmith Penryn
Beatrice Rundle 25 wife Penryn
William Rundle 7 son Penryn
Mary 5 dau Penryn
Lily Rundle 3 dau Penryn
Ida Rundle 1 dau Penryn
RG13/2229/F43/p7

As your Harry Rundle was born in Luton I think there are two different Harry Rundles here.

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Re: HARRY RUNDLE, BRITISH ARMY SOLDIER, BORN 1874, LUTON, BEDFORDSHIRE, UK
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 October 19 09:59 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I'm adding some more details regarding my great-grandfather, Harry Rundle, so if anyone can help with anything else, that would be great!

Harry Rundle took up with a Minnie Eva Inchley, after her husband, Harry Hales, also a British soldier, died around 1914. At this time, I've no information as to what happened to his relationships with his 2 previous wives, Beatrice Mallett or Alice Butler, i.e., did either of these women die young, did they get divorced, etc. I've no information on whether there was an actual marriage between Harry Rundle & Minnie. Minnie's first marriage/relationship to Harry Hales in 1904 in Birmingham, UK, produced 7 children, whose names are Ethel, Elsie, Frederick, Harry, Joseph, Minnie and Stanley. Ethel was born in 1913 in Birmingham, UK & died in Nova Scotia, Canada, in 2003, but I don't have birth/marriage/death details for her siblings, other than that the majority of her siblings died before she did, except for her sister Minnie. When Harry Rundle met Minnie Inchley, I believe they had 2 or 3 children together, one of which, the youngest, was my grandfather, Joseph John Rundle. He was born on 17th June 1921 in Birmingham, UK, & died in Australia in 1984. He served in the Australian Army, service number WX19919. I believe my grandfather's half-sister Ethel managed to keep in contact with his children in Australia via letter.

When Minnie Eva Inchley died in 1923, Harry Rundle placed all the children in an orphanage in Birmingham, UK. He then emigrated in 1923 to Canada aboard the ship 'SS Regina' from Liverpool to Quebec. It's interesting to note that on the passenger lists for this trip, Harry Rundle's last known address was listed in Penryn, Cornwall, where he'd previously been living many years before with his first wife, Beatrice Mallett. After that, I can't find any information on Harry Rundle, i.e., did he re-marry in Canada, what he did for the rest of his life, did he ever return to the UK, when/where he died, etc.

In 1934, my grandfather, Joseph John Rundle, was sent from England (Birmingham) to Australia (Fairbridge Farm Pinjarra, Western Australia) on the ship 'Jervis Bay' as part of the child migration scheme. He was only 12 years old.

Many thanks!!  :)