Harry RUNDLE, British Army Soldier, born 1874, Luton, Bedfordshire UK

[jim1]

if memory serves Alice was the other side of B'ham in 1920 in Winson Green.
Take it back you're right. Getting up to speed again.
Harry Rundle is registered at this address & also registered as Harry Hales living with Minnie
the other side of B'ham.

[jim1]

I put this up on p. 5
I think Alice has given the 3/12 Bacchus Rd. address for Harry on the AV list
Notice they both have the same Army number & unit.
but I don't believe he ever lived there.

[Nodrog50]

You may not know, jim1, that Harry was also an entertainer & is said to have had a fine singing voice. My Gran said that he used to work as a pearly king & had an offer to work in the States (I have no record of him going there, nor to Canada for that matter). My Mom could remember the top hat & cane among Harry's personal effects & his rendition of 'My Old Duch' (Duchess of Fife - wife - a bit ironic really). She also recalled his irascibility, particularly with noisy children (now there's a surprise!), & love of fish & seafood. All this whilst sheltering from the Luftwaffe!
Balsall Heath Local History Society have been running a project about Children’s Emigration Homes. They are aware of the Hales & Rundle children who left this country and were shocked to see that they were sent to different continents. They are referred to in their publication. See
http://balsallheathhistory.co.uk/index.php/the-lost-children-a-project-about-the-childrens-emigration-homes/
Cheers!

[jim1]

I was always a bit sceptical about the children being put into a home
but it must be true if they have records of them.
I didn't know the Hales children were sent there as well.
I thought I'd documented the Hales children so I'll have to take another
look at that.
I can't see anything in your link about them.
Edit:
Looking at the pack pages I did find the 2 oldest Rundle girls in Canada.

[Nodrog50]

The Rumble(s)/al(l)s family worked in the Luton hat industry & moved to Birmingham between 1881 & 1891.
The story in the family is that Harry changed his name from Rumble to Rundle in his army days. He had an older brother named Edwin (another one that 'disappears') who, it was said, was mistakenly enlisted as Rundle, & that on enlisting himself Harry had to use Rundle to be in the same regiment. This doesn't quite hold water; both surnames continued to be used.
Even on his death cert there's Henry Rumble, otherwise Rundle, & there are GRO death entries for him in both names!
Harry's buried in an unmarked grave at Brandwood End Cemetery, unlike his presumed son Stanley & his sister Ellen Jane (Nelley) Bennett & her husband who were in the millinery business. His brother Alfred stayed with the surname Rumble; one of his 2 sons had a paralysed right arm from birth.
Minnie Hales was buried in July 1923 at Yardley Cemetery. Reckon Harry Hales, or whatever his name was, was abducted by aliens!

[jim1]

I agree about the alien abduction, as they say when you rule
out the improbable the impossible must be true.
Going back to the daughters I now recall looking at a couple of
documents on the Canada Archive where one is mentioned being sent
to a family but was returned after about a year as being unsatisfactory
& being sent elsewhere. This was in response to a letter from an aunt
asking after her. I believe she married out there. Can't remember the details.

[Nodrog50]

Alice Maud had a tough time bringing up 5 children by herself. My Gran recalled pawning wet washing. My Gran was apparently sent to live with Harry & co. at Fulham Rd at one stage because Alice Maud couldn't cope. Alice Maud was fondly remembered by the family. She virtually brought up my Mom & sister; my Grandad usually had quite menial jobs & my Gran went out to work. Alice Maud died of myocardial degeneration & chronic bronchitis & is buried in an unmarked grave with Thomas White at Handsworth Cemetery.
Given the evidence we have, I think only Stanley (though even he's got one of Harry Hales' names!) & Joseph look like children of Harry Rundle, so perhaps Alice Maud was mistaken in thinking he already had 2 children with Minnie Hales by 1915. Even birth certs might not tell the true story; Piglet seemed to be on the verge of something but seems to have disappeared.
Alice Maud had surnames Le Boutillier/Butler/Rumble(s)/Rundle/White, but her paternal gt-grandfather was simply a Thomas Butler from Wolverhampton who just happened to be stationed in Jersey whilst serving in the army during the Napoleonic Wars!

[jim1]

Have to disagree, Alice in her letter dated 1915 says Harry (Rundle) had 2 children by Minnie who can only be Minnie (1912) & Ethel (1914) along with Stanley & Joseph they all had Hales as a surname on their birth certs. with as you say Stanley having the Middle name Rundle.
You can send Piglet a personal message as she may have unsubscribed from this topic & won't get a link.
Not sure about the Napoleonic wars bit as that ended at Waterloo in 1815.
OK I see you refer to her GGGrandfather.
I put this up earlier:

Changing the subject for a minute the 1899 marriage witness as I mentioned was an F.A. Mallett.
I believe this is Alice's sister.
1881 Jersey:
Alfred John Le Boutillier 34
Louisa Ellen Le Boutillier 29
Alfred Charles Le Boutillier 11
Louisa Jane Le Boutillier 10
Florence Alice Le Boutillier 8
Edward Francis Le Boutillier 6
Sydney Touzall Le Boutillier 3
Alice Maud Le Boutillier 2
All born Jersey.
In 1901 Florence is with her husband  Edward Mallett in Weymouth & her pob is Jersey.

[Nodrog50]

Thomas Butler married in Jersey in 1799. His son Francis morphed into Francois Le Boutillier & one of his sons was Alfred John. Alice Maud was one of Alfred's 17 children! You're right abt Mallett; Edward George Mallett was the other half of Florence Alice Le Boutillier; never have found a marriage.
Have sent a PM to Piglet.
Have you amongst the military records you have access to anything on Harry's brother, Edwin Rumble(s)/Rundle? He married in Brum in Dec. 1893, gunner in the R.A. at Golden Hill Fort, I.O.W., but his spouse remarries in Nov. 1897.